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		By: Robert Saltzman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Saltzman]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-98965&quot;&gt;seashell&lt;/a&gt;.

The weighs and means dept. Have always had access to trump&#039;s taxes. 
You are particularly correct that trump&#039;s private life doesn&#039;t matter to us. God will judge him, if it really mattered to the media they&#039;d discuss trump&#039;s former girlfriend before marring was an African-american super model. 
What mattered to us is ending war, stopping Hillary and most of all
The fiat currency is failing and who better to have in control than someone that&#039;s been a billion dollars in debt]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-98965">seashell</a>.</p>
<p>The weighs and means dept. Have always had access to trump&#8217;s taxes.<br />
You are particularly correct that trump&#8217;s private life doesn&#8217;t matter to us. God will judge him, if it really mattered to the media they&#8217;d discuss trump&#8217;s former girlfriend before marring was an African-american super model.<br />
What mattered to us is ending war, stopping Hillary and most of all<br />
The fiat currency is failing and who better to have in control than someone that&#8217;s been a billion dollars in debt</p>
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		By: Robert Saltzman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Saltzman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That any christian can&#039;t see the similarities from then to now is that the opposition just takes things they know have negative connotations then scream those ppl are the bad people doing the negativity..
Arise because those negative things will always have a bad connotations. 
That they will use to step on you for power over you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That any christian can&#8217;t see the similarities from then to now is that the opposition just takes things they know have negative connotations then scream those ppl are the bad people doing the negativity..<br />
Arise because those negative things will always have a bad connotations.<br />
That they will use to step on you for power over you.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99028&quot;&gt;Benny S.&lt;/a&gt;.

My &quot;gut&quot; tells me I&#039;d like to see the actual data, because this sort of &quot;reporting&quot; tends to make me suspicious of the claims.  



I have read differing claims about the situation.  I.e. claims that there is indeed a decline of younger people being christian, however, counter claims that attendance in &quot;conservative&quot; churches is increasing.  Unfortunately, many of these claims aren&#039;t supported with proper references making it difficult to determine the actual facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99028">Benny S.</a>.</p>
<p>My &#8220;gut&#8221; tells me I&#8217;d like to see the actual data, because this sort of &#8220;reporting&#8221; tends to make me suspicious of the claims.  </p>
<p>I have read differing claims about the situation.  I.e. claims that there is indeed a decline of younger people being christian, however, counter claims that attendance in &#8220;conservative&#8221; churches is increasing.  Unfortunately, many of these claims aren&#8217;t supported with proper references making it difficult to determine the actual facts.</p>
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		By: Tacitus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tacitus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99020&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s very well established from surveys by Pew and Gallup over the last few decades that trends in belief and church membership (or lack thereof) have been generationally driven. More specifically, if you track each generation as they get older, their survey results remain remarkably similar over their lifetime, it&#039;s the changes between the generations that is driving virtually all the trends in the overall numbers.

Evangelical support has held up better as the mainline denominations have seen declines over the last 25 years, but I believe that&#039;s beginning to change. While still more conservative than their non-evangelical peers, Pew found that younger white evangelicals are considerably more liberal on issues like gay marriage, homosexuality, immigration, government spending, etc. than their elders, which would certainly help explain a drop in the numbers. Then, of course, there&#039;s the overall drop in religious belief in young people, which has been accelerating over the last 10-15 years.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/04/though-still-conservative-young-evangelicals-are-more-liberal-than-their-elders-on-some-issues/

So, yes, the population is aging, but fewer young people are graduating as adults into the evangelical church, as our society becomes more secular. What I don&#039;t know is whether the presence of Trump is making any difference. From what I&#039;ve seen, anecdotally, becoming less religious isn&#039;t making this nation much less conservative, so probably not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99020">ken</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very well established from surveys by Pew and Gallup over the last few decades that trends in belief and church membership (or lack thereof) have been generationally driven. More specifically, if you track each generation as they get older, their survey results remain remarkably similar over their lifetime, it&#8217;s the changes between the generations that is driving virtually all the trends in the overall numbers.</p>
<p>Evangelical support has held up better as the mainline denominations have seen declines over the last 25 years, but I believe that&#8217;s beginning to change. While still more conservative than their non-evangelical peers, Pew found that younger white evangelicals are considerably more liberal on issues like gay marriage, homosexuality, immigration, government spending, etc. than their elders, which would certainly help explain a drop in the numbers. Then, of course, there&#8217;s the overall drop in religious belief in young people, which has been accelerating over the last 10-15 years.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/04/though-still-conservative-young-evangelicals-are-more-liberal-than-their-elders-on-some-issues/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/04/though-still-conservative-young-evangelicals-are-more-liberal-than-their-elders-on-some-issues/</a></p>
<p>So, yes, the population is aging, but fewer young people are graduating as adults into the evangelical church, as our society becomes more secular. What I don&#8217;t know is whether the presence of Trump is making any difference. From what I&#8217;ve seen, anecdotally, becoming less religious isn&#8217;t making this nation much less conservative, so probably not.</p>
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		By: Benny S.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benny S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2018 18:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99020&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Then the article claims &quot;Only 10 percent of Americans under 30 identify as white evangelicals.&quot; but don&#039;t give what that figure was 20 years ago to compare.&quot;

Fair enough. Yet, my gut also tells me it&#039;s unimportant what the figure was 20 years ago. 

What&#039;s your gut tell you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99020">ken</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Then the article claims &#8220;Only 10 percent of Americans under 30 identify as white evangelicals.&#8221; but don&#8217;t give what that figure was 20 years ago to compare.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair enough. Yet, my gut also tells me it&#8217;s unimportant what the figure was 20 years ago. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s your gut tell you?</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2018 09:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99006&quot;&gt;Benny S.&lt;/a&gt;.

Unfortunately, this article has some sloppy (misleading) reporting.  for example: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The numbers are stark: Twenty years ago, just 46 percent of white 
evangelical Protestants were older than 50; now, 62 percent are above 
50.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

implying this is evidence younger people are leaving the evangelical churches.  However, it could simply be a sign of an aging population.  Then the article claims &quot;Only 10 percent of Americans under 30 identify as white evangelicals.&quot; but don&#039;t give what that figure was 20 years ago to compare.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99006">Benny S.</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this article has some sloppy (misleading) reporting.  for example: </p>
<blockquote><p>The numbers are stark: Twenty years ago, just 46 percent of white<br />
evangelical Protestants were older than 50; now, 62 percent are above<br />
50.</p></blockquote>
<p>implying this is evidence younger people are leaving the evangelical churches.  However, it could simply be a sign of an aging population.  Then the article claims &#8220;Only 10 percent of Americans under 30 identify as white evangelicals.&#8221; but don&#8217;t give what that figure was 20 years ago to compare.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99003&quot;&gt;Warren Throckmorton&lt;/a&gt;.

I suspect rationalization has something to do with it.  They voted for Trump to deliver on what they wanted.  Now they don&#039;t want to admit he isn&#039;t what they thought he was and that they were conned by him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99003">Warren Throckmorton</a>.</p>
<p>I suspect rationalization has something to do with it.  They voted for Trump to deliver on what they wanted.  Now they don&#8217;t want to admit he isn&#8217;t what they thought he was and that they were conned by him.</p>
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		By: War-El		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[War-El]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2018 13:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99003&quot;&gt;Warren Throckmorton&lt;/a&gt;.

I am likewise baffled at what the heck the likes of Falwell Jr are thinking, although I was regularly perplexed by things they said long before Trump showed up. I can very easily understand those who are casualties of offshoring, the financial crash, long and repeated deployment of our volunteer forces. etc. latching onto Trump&#039;s &quot;America First&quot; mantra.

I pretty much have my fingers crossed that Trump declines to run for re-election. Although I have no idea what the aim of the Republican Party is at this point. They will need a Kasich or Pence just to redefine the party. It does not represent what I want for the country, and neither do the Democrats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99003">Warren Throckmorton</a>.</p>
<p>I am likewise baffled at what the heck the likes of Falwell Jr are thinking, although I was regularly perplexed by things they said long before Trump showed up. I can very easily understand those who are casualties of offshoring, the financial crash, long and repeated deployment of our volunteer forces. etc. latching onto Trump&#8217;s &#8220;America First&#8221; mantra.</p>
<p>I pretty much have my fingers crossed that Trump declines to run for re-election. Although I have no idea what the aim of the Republican Party is at this point. They will need a Kasich or Pence just to redefine the party. It does not represent what I want for the country, and neither do the Democrats.</p>
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		By: Benny S.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benny S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A slightly lengthy piece, just published yesterday by Newsweek: &quot;Evangelical Christians Helped Elect Donald Trump, but Their Time as a Major Political Force Is Coming to an End&quot;

See link:
https://www.newsweek.com/2018/12/21/evangelicals-republicans-trump-millenials-1255745.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A slightly lengthy piece, just published yesterday by Newsweek: &#8220;Evangelical Christians Helped Elect Donald Trump, but Their Time as a Major Political Force Is Coming to an End&#8221;</p>
<p>See link:<br />
<a href="https://www.newsweek.com/2018/12/21/evangelicals-republicans-trump-millenials-1255745.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.newsweek.com/2018/12/21/evangelicals-republicans-trump-millenials-1255745.html</a></p>
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		By: nathankc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nathankc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99002&quot;&gt;War-El&lt;/a&gt;.

and....the SCOTUS had an opportunity to address Planned Parenthood funding and didn&#039;t pick up the cases. So even that argument should be falling on deaf ears now. Trump / Republicans have now put two judges on the bench and have yet to do a single thing about abortion. This shows where the motivations truly are - for the politicians, pro-life is nothing more than a perpetual motion &#039;elect me!&#039; machine and why I&#039;ve moved over wholeheartedly to support the Democrats for Life party - a whole life Democratic platform]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99002">War-El</a>.</p>
<p>and&#8230;.the SCOTUS had an opportunity to address Planned Parenthood funding and didn&#8217;t pick up the cases. So even that argument should be falling on deaf ears now. Trump / Republicans have now put two judges on the bench and have yet to do a single thing about abortion. This shows where the motivations truly are &#8211; for the politicians, pro-life is nothing more than a perpetual motion &#8216;elect me!&#8217; machine and why I&#8217;ve moved over wholeheartedly to support the Democrats for Life party &#8211; a whole life Democratic platform</p>
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