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		By: Robert Saltzman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Saltzman]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-98965&quot;&gt;seashell&lt;/a&gt;.

The weighs and means dept. Have always had access to trump&#039;s taxes. 
You are particularly correct that trump&#039;s private life doesn&#039;t matter to us. God will judge him, if it really mattered to the media they&#039;d discuss trump&#039;s former girlfriend before marring was an African-american super model. 
What mattered to us is ending war, stopping Hillary and most of all
The fiat currency is failing and who better to have in control than someone that&#039;s been a billion dollars in debt]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-98965">seashell</a>.</p>
<p>The weighs and means dept. Have always had access to trump&#8217;s taxes.<br />
You are particularly correct that trump&#8217;s private life doesn&#8217;t matter to us. God will judge him, if it really mattered to the media they&#8217;d discuss trump&#8217;s former girlfriend before marring was an African-american super model.<br />
What mattered to us is ending war, stopping Hillary and most of all<br />
The fiat currency is failing and who better to have in control than someone that&#8217;s been a billion dollars in debt</p>
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		By: Robert Saltzman		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[That any christian can&#039;t see the similarities from then to now is that the opposition just takes things they know have negative connotations then scream those ppl are the bad people doing the negativity..
Arise because those negative things will always have a bad connotations. 
That they will use to step on you for power over you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That any christian can&#8217;t see the similarities from then to now is that the opposition just takes things they know have negative connotations then scream those ppl are the bad people doing the negativity..<br />
Arise because those negative things will always have a bad connotations.<br />
That they will use to step on you for power over you.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99028&quot;&gt;Benny S.&lt;/a&gt;.

My &quot;gut&quot; tells me I&#039;d like to see the actual data, because this sort of &quot;reporting&quot; tends to make me suspicious of the claims.  



I have read differing claims about the situation.  I.e. claims that there is indeed a decline of younger people being christian, however, counter claims that attendance in &quot;conservative&quot; churches is increasing.  Unfortunately, many of these claims aren&#039;t supported with proper references making it difficult to determine the actual facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99028">Benny S.</a>.</p>
<p>My &#8220;gut&#8221; tells me I&#8217;d like to see the actual data, because this sort of &#8220;reporting&#8221; tends to make me suspicious of the claims.  </p>
<p>I have read differing claims about the situation.  I.e. claims that there is indeed a decline of younger people being christian, however, counter claims that attendance in &#8220;conservative&#8221; churches is increasing.  Unfortunately, many of these claims aren&#8217;t supported with proper references making it difficult to determine the actual facts.</p>
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		By: Tacitus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2018 06:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99020&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s very well established from surveys by Pew and Gallup over the last few decades that trends in belief and church membership (or lack thereof) have been generationally driven. More specifically, if you track each generation as they get older, their survey results remain remarkably similar over their lifetime, it&#039;s the changes between the generations that is driving virtually all the trends in the overall numbers.

Evangelical support has held up better as the mainline denominations have seen declines over the last 25 years, but I believe that&#039;s beginning to change. While still more conservative than their non-evangelical peers, Pew found that younger white evangelicals are considerably more liberal on issues like gay marriage, homosexuality, immigration, government spending, etc. than their elders, which would certainly help explain a drop in the numbers. Then, of course, there&#039;s the overall drop in religious belief in young people, which has been accelerating over the last 10-15 years.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/04/though-still-conservative-young-evangelicals-are-more-liberal-than-their-elders-on-some-issues/

So, yes, the population is aging, but fewer young people are graduating as adults into the evangelical church, as our society becomes more secular. What I don&#039;t know is whether the presence of Trump is making any difference. From what I&#039;ve seen, anecdotally, becoming less religious isn&#039;t making this nation much less conservative, so probably not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99020">ken</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very well established from surveys by Pew and Gallup over the last few decades that trends in belief and church membership (or lack thereof) have been generationally driven. More specifically, if you track each generation as they get older, their survey results remain remarkably similar over their lifetime, it&#8217;s the changes between the generations that is driving virtually all the trends in the overall numbers.</p>
<p>Evangelical support has held up better as the mainline denominations have seen declines over the last 25 years, but I believe that&#8217;s beginning to change. While still more conservative than their non-evangelical peers, Pew found that younger white evangelicals are considerably more liberal on issues like gay marriage, homosexuality, immigration, government spending, etc. than their elders, which would certainly help explain a drop in the numbers. Then, of course, there&#8217;s the overall drop in religious belief in young people, which has been accelerating over the last 10-15 years.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/04/though-still-conservative-young-evangelicals-are-more-liberal-than-their-elders-on-some-issues/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/04/though-still-conservative-young-evangelicals-are-more-liberal-than-their-elders-on-some-issues/</a></p>
<p>So, yes, the population is aging, but fewer young people are graduating as adults into the evangelical church, as our society becomes more secular. What I don&#8217;t know is whether the presence of Trump is making any difference. From what I&#8217;ve seen, anecdotally, becoming less religious isn&#8217;t making this nation much less conservative, so probably not.</p>
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		By: Benny S.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benny S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2018 18:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99020&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Then the article claims &quot;Only 10 percent of Americans under 30 identify as white evangelicals.&quot; but don&#039;t give what that figure was 20 years ago to compare.&quot;

Fair enough. Yet, my gut also tells me it&#039;s unimportant what the figure was 20 years ago. 

What&#039;s your gut tell you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/12/13/trumps-dirty-deeds-is-this-an-off-ramp-for-evangelicals/#comment-99020">ken</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Then the article claims &#8220;Only 10 percent of Americans under 30 identify as white evangelicals.&#8221; but don&#8217;t give what that figure was 20 years ago to compare.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair enough. Yet, my gut also tells me it&#8217;s unimportant what the figure was 20 years ago. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s your gut tell you?</p>
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