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	Comments on: Willow Creek Association Addresses Bill Hybels Controversy at Opening of Global Leadership Summit (VIDEO)	</title>
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		By: JFISCH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;He seemed sorry for something...&quot; Really? Please leave heart judgement to God and reserve man judgement for things like fruit. Recognize what an incredibly difficult position this is to navigate! It is easy to sit back and criticize soundbites, but asking God to illuminate how you can positively impact our brothers and sisters who are hurting would possibly yield restoration if led by the Holy Spirit. I listened to a few of the talks and am grateful for the tools of discipleship, encouragement, and mentoring. Why are we so upset that the conference went forward? Are failings and sinful grooves of some to be given the power to immobilize something positive? Do we know the motives of every speaker, organizer, leader, and financial backer? If your reaction stems from never finding value in this large church summit, then don&#039;t participate. It is not for you. The gospel was shared multiple times. That alone is valuable to someone. You don&#039;t have to support or listen - just don&#039;t tear down. When I am frustrated with my church, the Holy Spirit reminds me that these people love Jesus. This brings everything back to center.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He seemed sorry for something&#8230;&#8221; Really? Please leave heart judgement to God and reserve man judgement for things like fruit. Recognize what an incredibly difficult position this is to navigate! It is easy to sit back and criticize soundbites, but asking God to illuminate how you can positively impact our brothers and sisters who are hurting would possibly yield restoration if led by the Holy Spirit. I listened to a few of the talks and am grateful for the tools of discipleship, encouragement, and mentoring. Why are we so upset that the conference went forward? Are failings and sinful grooves of some to be given the power to immobilize something positive? Do we know the motives of every speaker, organizer, leader, and financial backer? If your reaction stems from never finding value in this large church summit, then don&#8217;t participate. It is not for you. The gospel was shared multiple times. That alone is valuable to someone. You don&#8217;t have to support or listen &#8211; just don&#8217;t tear down. When I am frustrated with my church, the Holy Spirit reminds me that these people love Jesus. This brings everything back to center.</p>
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		By: Voice-from-the-womb		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/08/09/willow-creek-association-addresses-bill-hybels-controversy-at-opening-of-global-leadership-summit-video/#comment-97144</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2018 21:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/08/09/willow-creek-association-addresses-bill-hybels-controversy-at-opening-of-global-leadership-summit-video/#comment-97109&quot;&gt;MyPetSlug&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the word is patronizing. Why in the world would an organization with the issues on display now think that it can minister meaningfully to women (except possibly through tears and sackcloth/ashes)? What good thing does it really have to offer that can&#039;t be found in some other ministry, or perhaps better, simply in the Bible itself?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/08/09/willow-creek-association-addresses-bill-hybels-controversy-at-opening-of-global-leadership-summit-video/#comment-97109">MyPetSlug</a>.</p>
<p>I think the word is patronizing. Why in the world would an organization with the issues on display now think that it can minister meaningfully to women (except possibly through tears and sackcloth/ashes)? What good thing does it really have to offer that can&#8217;t be found in some other ministry, or perhaps better, simply in the Bible itself?</p>
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		By: And I'm Cute, Too		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[And I'm Cute, Too]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2018 21:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/08/09/willow-creek-association-addresses-bill-hybels-controversy-at-opening-of-global-leadership-summit-video/#comment-97117&quot;&gt;Jeff Miller&lt;/a&gt;.

Heh, heh!  Wish I could &#039;like&#039; this more than once.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/08/09/willow-creek-association-addresses-bill-hybels-controversy-at-opening-of-global-leadership-summit-video/#comment-97117">Jeff Miller</a>.</p>
<p>Heh, heh!  Wish I could &#8216;like&#8217; this more than once.</p>
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		By: Living Liminal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2018 03:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IMO, this guy just used a lot of words to distance himself from the church founded by Bill Hybels, and to tell us how great and important the summit founded by Bill Hybels still is. I was impressed by neither attempt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, this guy just used a lot of words to distance himself from the church founded by Bill Hybels, and to tell us how great and important the summit founded by Bill Hybels still is. I was impressed by neither attempt.</p>
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		By: Jeff Miller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Makes me think of an old favorite...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3mC4485Ue0]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes me think of an old favorite&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3mC4485Ue0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3mC4485Ue0</a></p>
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		By: thatotherjean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2018 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The sun will come out 
Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar
That tomorrow,
There&#039;ll be sun. . .&quot;    &quot;Tomorrow&quot; from Annie, 1977


Really, the Global Leadership Summit just isn&#039;t all that necessary for defining the power dynamics between men and women in the world, or much else, really.  You should  get your own house in order before you try that.  Are you actually in favor of equality between men and women, or are you expecting the &quot;leadership&quot; you promote to come mostly from men?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The sun will come out<br />
Tomorrow<br />
Bet your bottom dollar<br />
That tomorrow,<br />
There&#8217;ll be sun. . .&#8221;    &#8220;Tomorrow&#8221; from Annie, 1977</p>
<p>Really, the Global Leadership Summit just isn&#8217;t all that necessary for defining the power dynamics between men and women in the world, or much else, really.  You should  get your own house in order before you try that.  Are you actually in favor of equality between men and women, or are you expecting the &#8220;leadership&#8221; you promote to come mostly from men?</p>
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		By: Tacitus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/08/09/willow-creek-association-addresses-bill-hybels-controversy-at-opening-of-global-leadership-summit-video/#comment-97093&quot;&gt;RustbeltRick&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, I wonder how much of the current soon-to-past leadership still believes a woman&#039;s place is in the home, married, and submitting to their husband...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/08/09/willow-creek-association-addresses-bill-hybels-controversy-at-opening-of-global-leadership-summit-video/#comment-97093">RustbeltRick</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, I wonder how much of the current soon-to-past leadership still believes a woman&#8217;s place is in the home, married, and submitting to their husband&#8230;</p>
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		By: martingugino		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2018 15:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The world may need you, true enough, but in this case it means to repent, to show honesty, to be broken, and to face the music.  You must not betray the many around the world (in prisons...) who (still) look to you for the image of Christ, for hope and redemption.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world may need you, true enough, but in this case it means to repent, to show honesty, to be broken, and to face the music.  You must not betray the many around the world (in prisons&#8230;) who (still) look to you for the image of Christ, for hope and redemption.</p>
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		By: MyPetSlug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2018 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Then he said they are doing it for the women attending&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is the type of thing religious leaders often say which sounds &quot;humble&quot; superficially, but is in fact the exact opposite.  It&#039;s the pretense of self-sacrifice.  That they just care about others so much that they simply must sacrifice their precious time and energy to hold this conference.  But in effect, what the person is really saying is that they feel they are just *so* important, knowledgeable, and skilled that they are the only ones who can help you.  And in reality, the whole conference is a giant ego boost to leaders anyway.  They are the ones on stage speaking, the center of attention.  Their name and picture is usually everywhere.  They are ones praised throughout.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Then he said they are doing it for the women attending</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the type of thing religious leaders often say which sounds &#8220;humble&#8221; superficially, but is in fact the exact opposite.  It&#8217;s the pretense of self-sacrifice.  That they just care about others so much that they simply must sacrifice their precious time and energy to hold this conference.  But in effect, what the person is really saying is that they feel they are just *so* important, knowledgeable, and skilled that they are the only ones who can help you.  And in reality, the whole conference is a giant ego boost to leaders anyway.  They are the ones on stage speaking, the center of attention.  Their name and picture is usually everywhere.  They are ones praised throughout.</p>
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		By: Mr Jesperson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Jesperson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2018 14:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find this common attitude that &quot;our ministry is indispensable to God&quot; abhorrent and utterly Pharisaical.  None of us are that important that the world cannot go on without us.  This attitude is based in arrogance, pride and a whole lot of narcissism.  The reality is that the egos of the leaders cannot take failure.  This crap is anti-Christ right down to its very core.  People need to flee whenever they see this attitude.  Do not waste your time, do not donate, do not buy the b.s.  Leadership in the church is so extremely bad, in general, because almost no one has any idea what real humility actually looks like.  They look to men heavily influenced by devils and think they see &quot;men of God.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this common attitude that &#8220;our ministry is indispensable to God&#8221; abhorrent and utterly Pharisaical.  None of us are that important that the world cannot go on without us.  This attitude is based in arrogance, pride and a whole lot of narcissism.  The reality is that the egos of the leaders cannot take failure.  This crap is anti-Christ right down to its very core.  People need to flee whenever they see this attitude.  Do not waste your time, do not donate, do not buy the b.s.  Leadership in the church is so extremely bad, in general, because almost no one has any idea what real humility actually looks like.  They look to men heavily influenced by devils and think they see &#8220;men of God.&#8221;</p>
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