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	Comments on: David Barton: The Founders Weren&#8217;t Racist Slave Owners	</title>
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		By: Mark Landes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Landes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2018 12:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the bigger question is why those founding fathers who created the Constitution used numbers like 3/5ths to count their slaves or in Barton terminology &quot;non-paid employee without benefits&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bigger question is why those founding fathers who created the Constitution used numbers like 3/5ths to count their slaves or in Barton terminology &#8220;non-paid employee without benefits&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Zoe_Brain		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96791</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2018 09:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96767&quot;&gt;RottenJohnny&lt;/a&gt;.

Compared to Adolf Hitler or Josef Mengele, his sins are mere pecadillos.

When I said &quot;wrongdoers, no matter how bad&quot; I really did mean Pol Pot, Charles Manson, Josef Stalin etc. I&#039;d like to think that I&#039;m not as bad as any of those, but no matter. I wouldn&#039;t condemn any of them to eternal torment.

My own situation is that there are a sizeable number of people who want to see me dead. Not just dead, tortured to death in the most painful way possible.

Now I&#039;m no pacifist, I&#039;ll do whatever it takes consistent with my personal ethics to frustrate them. If it came to a shootout, I wouldn&#039;t aim to kill, I&#039;d aim to maximise probability of neutralising the threat. That unfortunately would probably result in their deaths. What I wouldn&#039;t do is hold their children hostage, or similar immorality. Even if it meant my own demise.

It&#039;s easy to love ones friends. Loving one&#039;s enemies, much harder. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve managed it. But having simple human compassion  for them, while fighting to the maximum of my ability to ensure they do no more harm, that I can manage.

I&#039;m atheist, don&#039;t believe gods exist. But Good, that exists. Love, mercy, compassion, reason, humility, not being a complete arsehole - those exist. Faith not required.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96767">RottenJohnny</a>.</p>
<p>Compared to Adolf Hitler or Josef Mengele, his sins are mere pecadillos.</p>
<p>When I said &#8220;wrongdoers, no matter how bad&#8221; I really did mean Pol Pot, Charles Manson, Josef Stalin etc. I&#8217;d like to think that I&#8217;m not as bad as any of those, but no matter. I wouldn&#8217;t condemn any of them to eternal torment.</p>
<p>My own situation is that there are a sizeable number of people who want to see me dead. Not just dead, tortured to death in the most painful way possible.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m no pacifist, I&#8217;ll do whatever it takes consistent with my personal ethics to frustrate them. If it came to a shootout, I wouldn&#8217;t aim to kill, I&#8217;d aim to maximise probability of neutralising the threat. That unfortunately would probably result in their deaths. What I wouldn&#8217;t do is hold their children hostage, or similar immorality. Even if it meant my own demise.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to love ones friends. Loving one&#8217;s enemies, much harder. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve managed it. But having simple human compassion  for them, while fighting to the maximum of my ability to ensure they do no more harm, that I can manage.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m atheist, don&#8217;t believe gods exist. But Good, that exists. Love, mercy, compassion, reason, humility, not being a complete arsehole &#8211; those exist. Faith not required.</p>
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		By: underwriter505		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96778</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2018 15:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96768&quot;&gt;otrotierra&lt;/a&gt;.

Always assuming that in 50-60 years there will be enough humans left alive, and with enough food and water, to even be able to think about cleaning up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96768">otrotierra</a>.</p>
<p>Always assuming that in 50-60 years there will be enough humans left alive, and with enough food and water, to even be able to think about cleaning up.</p>
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		By: Zoe_Brain		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96766</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2018 15:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96757&quot;&gt;RottenJohnny&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t. Never been a fan of justice untempered by mercy. The idea of rejoicing at the eternal torture of wrongdoers, no matter how bad or how much they may &#039;deserve&#039; it, well, it sickens me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96757">RottenJohnny</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t. Never been a fan of justice untempered by mercy. The idea of rejoicing at the eternal torture of wrongdoers, no matter how bad or how much they may &#8216;deserve&#8217; it, well, it sickens me.</p>
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		By: otrotierra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2018 14:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96760&quot;&gt;leDaver&lt;/a&gt;.

David Barton and his White Evangelical followers don&#039;t think about the fruit of their dishonesty and deception, and they certainly aren&#039;t thinking about life 50-60 years in the future. The history books will not be kind to these Evangelical liars, and their offspring will be tasked with cleaning up their messes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/06/david-barton-the-founders-werent-racist-slave-owners/#comment-96760">leDaver</a>.</p>
<p>David Barton and his White Evangelical followers don&#8217;t think about the fruit of their dishonesty and deception, and they certainly aren&#8217;t thinking about life 50-60 years in the future. The history books will not be kind to these Evangelical liars, and their offspring will be tasked with cleaning up their messes.</p>
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