“There are millions of LEGAL immigrants from South of the border here. Wouldn’t illegal immigration be discrimination against them and their efforts to do it legally?”

No, I fail to see your logic here. And I note, you didn’t actually answer my questions. So I’ll ask them again:

Do you think race has nothing to do with attitudes about immigrants from Mexico and Central & South America?

“Just remember that you can sponsor people into this country.”

Really, how is that accomplished?

(and why is it relevant to this discussion?)

Ken, There are millions of LEGAL immigrants from South of the border here. Wouldn’t illegal immigration be discrimination against them and their efforts to do it legally? There are quite a few of them weighing in on this over at #walkaway on Facebook. You might find it interesting. Many of them do not see it as fair at all. Do they not matter?

“Nice try making it racial.”

You think race has nothing to do with attitudes about immigrants from Mexico and Central & South America?

“There also comes a time when people need to make their country better.”

And how would these immigrants go about doing that? Not long ago you were insinuating you were very knowledgeable about the immigrants and there situation. Apparently you don’t seem to know much about the situations they are coming from.

“There is an interesting study from Harvard showing something like 80% of African Americans do not want illegal immigration.”

I thought you weren’t “impressed with social science professors these days”?

“Just remember that you can sponsor people into this country.”

Really, how is that accomplished?

(and why is it relevant to this discussion?)

yes, it is important to NOT use the SPLC list as a binary setting (Hate group/Not Hate group), because their are varying degrees. And the SPLC is very good about documenting why a group is on the list.

You have the PC terminology down.

All that attitude about “PC” in your comment was over his use of the term “people of color?” There is a difference between wanting illegal immigration and understanding why most people do it. None of it justifies demonizing human beings whose only crime is entering the US without due process to escape dire or deadly circumstances.

We need a comprehensive, humane response to the issue,yes. But this is far from our greatest problem at the moment and a wall is not the solution anyway. Your argument is long on emotion and short on facts, which is why it is not particularly persuasive. You chastise Warren for pointing out the racist component of the data you were asking us to consider as a source, yet you accuse him of being detached and not caring about the working poor.

Perhaps he should have just thrown a fit over your use of the PC term “working poor.” And because an individual themselves cannot afford to sponsor an immigrant, you imply they have no right to any input on the issue. I’m thinking that you are not unfamiliar with speaking in your own “echo chamber.”