Comments on: Q&A With Former Mars Hill Church Executive Pastor Sutton Turner

By: BernieFlatters

BernieFlatters — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:12:32 +0000

Take a group of people, add a pastor and male elders and male deacons, then follow the Belgic Confession article 29, making sure that pastor, elders, and deacons are intimately involved with member’s lives, confronting their sin and leading them to repentance. That is called church. Now compare that to Mars Hill. There is no comparison. It isn’t hard to know why MH failed. You don’t have to make this any more complicated than it is.

By: pc

pc — Sun, 08 Jul 2018 23:29:35 +0000

Prior to MH, Sutton was a founding CEO collecting desperate poor people from Nepal, Philippines, India, and Bangladash and exploiting their labor and misery for immense profit in Abu Dhabi. He brags about it on his linkedin account – exploitation and capitalism at its best.

Here’s a video of him talking about leadership and hiring the “right people” prior to MH.
https://youtu.be/mCPrwKTRLy8

By: summers-lad

summers-lad — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 17:40:11 +0000

In reply to sowellfan. And there are no churches in heaven (Rev 21:22).

By: summers-lad

summers-lad — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 17:40:11 +0000

In reply to sowellfan. And there are no churches in heaven (Rev 21:22).

By: Mr Jesperson

Mr Jesperson — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 15:04:55 +0000

The center of the problem is our tendency to take men and place them up on pedestals. I agree with Rick Joyner that the day will come when hardly any large churches that are built on the charisma and preaching abilities of a single man will continue to exist. Jesus is the center of our faith. Any leader who spends more energy pointing to himself and his wallet than Jesus is not “a man of God” but more accurately a tool of the Devil. These leaders have treachery written on their foreheads, which is just a symbolic way of saying that their actions draw Mammon and worship to themselves instead of to God. There is a judgment from God coming towards those who do this, and the sheep who participate in the idolatry of “Christian” celebrities. This is nothing new, but has been repeating over and over throughout history. Mars Hill was not the first, far from that, and also far from the last. What is needed is repentance, which means to stop the idolatry and the worship of celebrity by throwing more Mammon at them. Repentance will bring life as Jesus is The Life. The day is coming when Jesus will be the center of attention again and men like Sutton and Driscoll have been judged with the same severity as the ancient Israelites endured. We need to turn back to the source of life for our choice of substitutes just brings us destruction. We are our own worse enemies here…

By: Warren Throckmorton

Warren Throckmorton — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 16:42:18 +0000

Good catch on the Roberson quote. I remember that now from my Baptist church days.

By: And I'm Cute, Too

And I'm Cute, Too — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 12:15:25 +0000

In reply to yulaffin. Or shilling for himself.

By: otrotierra

otrotierra — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 09:30:01 +0000

In reply to Living Liminal. Excellent question. Yes, Turner should share what steps he is taking today to address Driscoll's unrepentant, destructive, financially predatory behaviors.

By: sowellfan

sowellfan — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 09:13:00 +0000

In reply to summers-lad.

Yup – his mention that “no church will be truly perfect until we get to heaven” or whatever is a complete shifting of the goalposts. No one is asking churches to be perfect – they’re just asking them to be not utterly toxic.

By: Living Liminal

Living Liminal — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 07:21:16 +0000

“No one wants to see what happened at Mars Hill ever happen again.”

So what is Turner doing to try and protect the people of Arizona? What efforts has he made to prevent Driscoll from repeating history with his new church? Or has he been too busy setting himself up in his own new “leadership” position?