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		By: Tsc Admin		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-102598</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96049&quot;&gt;David Rahrer&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s just another form of homosexual erasure in my opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96049">David Rahrer</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just another form of homosexual erasure in my opinion.</p>
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		By: Tsc Admin		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-102597</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-99370&quot;&gt;Warren Throckmorton&lt;/a&gt;.

Nicolosi gave me false hope and a belief in something that wasn&#039;t real.  I wasted an enormous part of my life because of him.  His treatment plan for LGB is the same as GID treatment.  Well, it cured my gender dysphoria just fine, but it didn&#039;t do squat for my same-sex attraction, which is still my dominant attraction most of the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-99370">Warren Throckmorton</a>.</p>
<p>Nicolosi gave me false hope and a belief in something that wasn&#8217;t real.  I wasted an enormous part of my life because of him.  His treatment plan for LGB is the same as GID treatment.  Well, it cured my gender dysphoria just fine, but it didn&#8217;t do squat for my same-sex attraction, which is still my dominant attraction most of the time.</p>
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		By: Warren Throckmorton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2019 13:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-99369&quot;&gt;sam80&lt;/a&gt;.

Nicolosi was not candid in all of his work about this topic. Privately and in his NARTH speeches he encourages complete change. Check out this post /2012/07/27/emails-contradict-dr-nicolosis-conflicting-claims-of-cure/.  Nicolosi was supremely confident in his abilities and methods. That confidence was misplaced.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-99369">sam80</a>.</p>
<p>Nicolosi was not candid in all of his work about this topic. Privately and in his NARTH speeches he encourages complete change. Check out this post /2012/07/27/emails-contradict-dr-nicolosis-conflicting-claims-of-cure/.  Nicolosi was supremely confident in his abilities and methods. That confidence was misplaced.</p>
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		By: sam80		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2019 11:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like for everybody to read the article written by the late Dr. Joseph Nicolosi about John Paulk, but I think it could also apply to Michael Bussee, John Smid, and Randy Thomas, in terms of similar behavior patterns:
https://www.josephnicolosi.com/my-old-friend-john-paulk/?fbclid=IwAR1EOpIZUX2_0c_Sq4FDEb3yHyqwCh9vwTLZGpFKD9V8ZVdl_kifWA3ROO0

Regardless of what anybody thinks of SOCE, it is important to note that both Dr. Throckmorton and Dr. Nicolosi see Exodus and other exgay ministries as problematic, in terms of them setting high expectations which creates emotional issues for many vulnerable people when they are not being met, especially &quot;change.&quot;  In this article, Nicolosi, also blames Exodus et al for what happened to John Paulk.  I can see that Reverend Strachan is following the same pattern of setting expectations, from which I can deduce could also leave many people heartbroken.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like for everybody to read the article written by the late Dr. Joseph Nicolosi about John Paulk, but I think it could also apply to Michael Bussee, John Smid, and Randy Thomas, in terms of similar behavior patterns:<br />
<a href="https://www.josephnicolosi.com/my-old-friend-john-paulk/?fbclid=IwAR1EOpIZUX2_0c_Sq4FDEb3yHyqwCh9vwTLZGpFKD9V8ZVdl_kifWA3ROO0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.josephnicolosi.com/my-old-friend-john-paulk/?fbclid=IwAR1EOpIZUX2_0c_Sq4FDEb3yHyqwCh9vwTLZGpFKD9V8ZVdl_kifWA3ROO0</a></p>
<p>Regardless of what anybody thinks of SOCE, it is important to note that both Dr. Throckmorton and Dr. Nicolosi see Exodus and other exgay ministries as problematic, in terms of them setting high expectations which creates emotional issues for many vulnerable people when they are not being met, especially &#8220;change.&#8221;  In this article, Nicolosi, also blames Exodus et al for what happened to John Paulk.  I can see that Reverend Strachan is following the same pattern of setting expectations, from which I can deduce could also leave many people heartbroken.</p>
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		By: sam80		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 23:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96036&quot;&gt;Matt&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m sorry to hear you experience rejection from both gay and Christian communities.  It makes me wonder if those gay people who saw you as the enemy were secular.  As for the situation in your church, I think it shows that all people, even those who are faithful Christians, are all sinners and we tend to do hurtful things to each other, even unintentionally.  That influences us to search for communities that are more &quot;fit&quot; to our imperfect natures.  I wish you all the best in finding yourself at a place where you can serve God and enrich peoples&#039; lives around you to the best of your abilities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96036">Matt</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear you experience rejection from both gay and Christian communities.  It makes me wonder if those gay people who saw you as the enemy were secular.  As for the situation in your church, I think it shows that all people, even those who are faithful Christians, are all sinners and we tend to do hurtful things to each other, even unintentionally.  That influences us to search for communities that are more &#8220;fit&#8221; to our imperfect natures.  I wish you all the best in finding yourself at a place where you can serve God and enrich peoples&#8217; lives around you to the best of your abilities.</p>
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		By: Natasha		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-97274</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natasha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96041&quot;&gt;buddyglass23&lt;/a&gt;.

It might be possible that these women had more bisexual inclinations than they forethought, but this is a big &quot;might&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96041">buddyglass23</a>.</p>
<p>It might be possible that these women had more bisexual inclinations than they forethought, but this is a big &#8220;might&#8221;.</p>
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		By: WaveDave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WaveDave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 19:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96226&quot;&gt;War-El&lt;/a&gt;.

Beautifully said...thank you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96226">War-El</a>.</p>
<p>Beautifully said&#8230;thank you!</p>
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		By: WaveDave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96556&quot;&gt;War-El&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for sharing that...heartbreaking and yet he sounds like a great person who has chosen Jesus no matter what.  May we all learn from this example...thanks again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96556">War-El</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing that&#8230;heartbreaking and yet he sounds like a great person who has chosen Jesus no matter what.  May we all learn from this example&#8230;thanks again.</p>
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		By: War-El		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[War-El]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 16:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96555&quot;&gt;WaveDave&lt;/a&gt;.

I have a friend who was physically removed from a church for disclosing his same sex attraction. Despite that, he was persistent in seeking out a church that would walk with him, and he followed Jesus no matter how poorly he was treated. And he won. He is secure in his faith and happy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96555">WaveDave</a>.</p>
<p>I have a friend who was physically removed from a church for disclosing his same sex attraction. Despite that, he was persistent in seeking out a church that would walk with him, and he followed Jesus no matter how poorly he was treated. And he won. He is secure in his faith and happy.</p>
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		By: WaveDave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WaveDave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 09:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96036&quot;&gt;Matt&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Matt...my experience mirrors your in many ways.  Glad I am not alone...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/06/03/revoice-and-again-i-say-revoice/#comment-96036">Matt</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Matt&#8230;my experience mirrors your in many ways.  Glad I am not alone&#8230;</p>
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