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		By: sam80		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[First off, Butterfield is not a professional therapist but a pastoral counselor, typical of exgay ministries.  I can see that the language she uses is reminiscing of such said ministries offering people false hopes and setting up high expectations which leaves them frustrated when they are not met.  

Second, if you noticed, before she mentions sex to that woman at the kitchen table, she advises her to pray and talk with her husband, thus it can be inferred that she wants her and her husband to spend time together with God, hoping it would bring intimacy.  It comes across as a suggestion, but not necessarily forcing her to do anything.  I personally believe that prayer can lead people to wonderful things, not always getting what we want, but what we need.

As for her statement regarding what is the ideal design for human sexuality and quoting Genesis 1:27, and then your response that some people might be born gay, I would add Romans 3, which talks about how we all equally sinned and no one is more righteous than another but how faith in Jesus Christ redeems us all.  This teaches us that after being born all of us are automatically predisposed to sinful desires, some people may be struggling with SSA, some might be struggling with constant anger, some might be obsessed with money, good looks, pride, etc.  It&#039;s all the same, meaning that no matter how &#039;good&#039; we try to be, it will never be good in the eyes of God, that&#039;s why we must always have faith in Jesus Christ redeeming us by dying on the cross.  Our faith will get us through life, even if we don&#039;t understand why people around us behave certain ways.

Btw, I really like that NYT article, which mentions how you helped Rob.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, Butterfield is not a professional therapist but a pastoral counselor, typical of exgay ministries.  I can see that the language she uses is reminiscing of such said ministries offering people false hopes and setting up high expectations which leaves them frustrated when they are not met.  </p>
<p>Second, if you noticed, before she mentions sex to that woman at the kitchen table, she advises her to pray and talk with her husband, thus it can be inferred that she wants her and her husband to spend time together with God, hoping it would bring intimacy.  It comes across as a suggestion, but not necessarily forcing her to do anything.  I personally believe that prayer can lead people to wonderful things, not always getting what we want, but what we need.</p>
<p>As for her statement regarding what is the ideal design for human sexuality and quoting Genesis 1:27, and then your response that some people might be born gay, I would add Romans 3, which talks about how we all equally sinned and no one is more righteous than another but how faith in Jesus Christ redeems us all.  This teaches us that after being born all of us are automatically predisposed to sinful desires, some people may be struggling with SSA, some might be struggling with constant anger, some might be obsessed with money, good looks, pride, etc.  It&#8217;s all the same, meaning that no matter how &#8216;good&#8217; we try to be, it will never be good in the eyes of God, that&#8217;s why we must always have faith in Jesus Christ redeeming us by dying on the cross.  Our faith will get us through life, even if we don&#8217;t understand why people around us behave certain ways.</p>
<p>Btw, I really like that NYT article, which mentions how you helped Rob.</p>
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