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		By: Frank		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t &quot;Morningstar&quot; an English translation of Lucifer?]]></description>
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					<description><![CDATA[That board is a who&#039;s who of the charismatics the John MacArthur camp likes to criticize.  Jacobs, Engle, etc.]]></description>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gloom &#038; doom always brings in the dollars....]]></description>
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		By: Tom Van Dyke		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;On one hand he says he is not advocating it, but on the other hand, he says that the takeover is our &quot;only hope.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
He&#039;s speaking theologically, eschatologically, theoretically--not politically.  Yes, it&#039;s wack, but it&#039;s not dangerous.
&lt;i&gt;for those who want to see fear mongering done well&lt;/i&gt;
Indeed, you&#039;re doing a very good job of it.  ;-)
&lt;blockquote&gt;Omar M. Ahmad founder of CAIR said:&quot;Islam isn&#039;t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant&quot; he said. &quot;The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth,&quot; he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/AyeshaAhmed41220.htm
It&#039;s the same as Muslims who believe the world will someday choose Islam.  I do take the peaceful ones at their word that they won&#039;t try to impose it by force, nor is there any evidence Christian Reconstructionists are planning to do so either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On one hand he says he is not advocating it, but on the other hand, he says that the takeover is our &#8220;only hope.&#8221;</i><br />
He&#8217;s speaking theologically, eschatologically, theoretically&#8211;not politically.  Yes, it&#8217;s wack, but it&#8217;s not dangerous.<br />
<i>for those who want to see fear mongering done well</i><br />
Indeed, you&#8217;re doing a very good job of it.  😉</p>
<blockquote><p>Omar M. Ahmad founder of CAIR said:&#8221;Islam isn&#8217;t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant&#8221; he said. &#8220;The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth,&#8221; he said.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/AyeshaAhmed41220.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/AyeshaAhmed41220.htm</a><br />
It&#8217;s the same as Muslims who believe the world will someday choose Islam.  I do take the peaceful ones at their word that they won&#8217;t try to impose it by force, nor is there any evidence Christian Reconstructionists are planning to do so either.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see this as part of &#039;the last gasp&#039; of dying breed (in &#039;the West&#039; at least); people will sometimes kick and scream when they realize that their days are numbered.  That doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not very serious, and I&#039;m most relieved by the very different &#039;mood music&#039; coming from the likes of Pope Francis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this as part of &#8216;the last gasp&#8217; of dying breed (in &#8216;the West&#8217; at least); people will sometimes kick and scream when they realize that their days are numbered.  That doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not very serious, and I&#8217;m most relieved by the very different &#8216;mood music&#8217; coming from the likes of Pope Francis.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[This needs to have a light shined on it.]]></description>
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		By: Scotty G.		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The video clip has been removed.  Going to the full video is still ok.
Interesting sermon.   Not entirely a well spoken man, he would do well to write out his thoughts first.
He deserves some kudos.
One refreshing comment I noticed was his statement rejecting the idea Obama is intentionally driving the country toward destruction.  And his willing admittance that the Native Americans were mistreated under United States rule.  Most revisionists downplay or ignore that aspect of our history.
His comment about the military being the &#039;only hope&#039; is stated far too loosely.   By that I mean if that is the ONLY hope then, advocating it or not, that&#039;s what must happen.  He doesn&#039;t offer any alternatives.
In fact, the whole thing is largely ambiguous.  I may be inclined to agree with him, but he doesn&#039;t mention any specific symptoms of said decline.  I can only guess what he considers signs of degradation.  Thus I and all other viewers must fill in those blanks; and there is plenty to fill them in with.
The biggest issue I have with this is the same I have with all &#039;Christian Nation&#039;, advocates.
What would a &#039;Christian Nation&#039; look like?
If Tom is correct, and the &#039;Christian Reconstructionists [aren&#039;t] planning...to impose [Christianity] by force.&#039; than what&#039;s the purpose of a Christian Nation?  What would change from the current state of things?  If a Christian Nation means Christians should receive preferential treatment as far as the First Amendment is concerned, what would that preferential treatment consist of?   I suspect telling fellow Americans that they are not obligated to profess Christian faith but they must live by all the tenants of Christianity won&#039;t be seen as any less oppressive.  That would also indirectly imply that only Christians are &#039;full&#039; Americans.
Again, we can only vaguely gather what that &#039;Christian Nation&#039; means to them by their current actions to &#039;return us&#039; to it.  And by looking at some of the &#039;religious freedom&#039; legislation attempting to be passed by the more socially conservative reps, I can already see what groups would be the first to feel the brunt of that &#039;Christian&#039; Nation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video clip has been removed.  Going to the full video is still ok.<br />
Interesting sermon.   Not entirely a well spoken man, he would do well to write out his thoughts first.<br />
He deserves some kudos.<br />
One refreshing comment I noticed was his statement rejecting the idea Obama is intentionally driving the country toward destruction.  And his willing admittance that the Native Americans were mistreated under United States rule.  Most revisionists downplay or ignore that aspect of our history.<br />
His comment about the military being the &#8216;only hope&#8217; is stated far too loosely.   By that I mean if that is the ONLY hope then, advocating it or not, that&#8217;s what must happen.  He doesn&#8217;t offer any alternatives.<br />
In fact, the whole thing is largely ambiguous.  I may be inclined to agree with him, but he doesn&#8217;t mention any specific symptoms of said decline.  I can only guess what he considers signs of degradation.  Thus I and all other viewers must fill in those blanks; and there is plenty to fill them in with.<br />
The biggest issue I have with this is the same I have with all &#8216;Christian Nation&#8217;, advocates.<br />
What would a &#8216;Christian Nation&#8217; look like?<br />
If Tom is correct, and the &#8216;Christian Reconstructionists [aren&#8217;t] planning&#8230;to impose [Christianity] by force.&#8217; than what&#8217;s the purpose of a Christian Nation?  What would change from the current state of things?  If a Christian Nation means Christians should receive preferential treatment as far as the First Amendment is concerned, what would that preferential treatment consist of?   I suspect telling fellow Americans that they are not obligated to profess Christian faith but they must live by all the tenants of Christianity won&#8217;t be seen as any less oppressive.  That would also indirectly imply that only Christians are &#8216;full&#8217; Americans.<br />
Again, we can only vaguely gather what that &#8216;Christian Nation&#8217; means to them by their current actions to &#8216;return us&#8217; to it.  And by looking at some of the &#8216;religious freedom&#8217; legislation attempting to be passed by the more socially conservative reps, I can already see what groups would be the first to feel the brunt of that &#8216;Christian&#8217; Nation.</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom, it&#039;s cowardly to hide fascism behind religion.  History is replete with examples of religion being used to justify political extremism.
In this country it&#039;s perfectly legal to call for a revolution.  The appropriate response to odious speech isn&#039;t censorship; it&#039;s more speech.  That&#039;s a principle that Thomas Jefferson established.  For you to call the author this blog a fear monger for following Jefferson&#039;s principles is dishonest and cowardly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, it&#8217;s cowardly to hide fascism behind religion.  History is replete with examples of religion being used to justify political extremism.<br />
In this country it&#8217;s perfectly legal to call for a revolution.  The appropriate response to odious speech isn&#8217;t censorship; it&#8217;s more speech.  That&#8217;s a principle that Thomas Jefferson established.  For you to call the author this blog a fear monger for following Jefferson&#8217;s principles is dishonest and cowardly.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;Goodness&#039; can never be imposed.  This is where all religious fundamentalists go wrong.
&#039;Goodness&#039; must be chosen; thus freedom is a prerequisite of &#039;goodness&#039;.
Winston Churchill said:  &quot;Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.&quot;  That&#039;s about right, I&#039;d say - because at least people are given the opportunity to choose good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Goodness&#8217; can never be imposed.  This is where all religious fundamentalists go wrong.<br />
&#8216;Goodness&#8217; must be chosen; thus freedom is a prerequisite of &#8216;goodness&#8217;.<br />
Winston Churchill said:  &#8220;Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.&#8221;  That&#8217;s about right, I&#8217;d say &#8211; because at least people are given the opportunity to choose good.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;Goodness&#039; can never be imposed.  This is where all religious fundamentalists go wrong.
&#039;Goodness&#039; must be chosen; thus freedom is a prerequisite of &#039;goodness&#039;.
Winston Churchill said:  &quot;Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.&quot;  That&#039;s about right, I&#039;d say - because at least people are given the opportunity to choose good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Goodness&#8217; can never be imposed.  This is where all religious fundamentalists go wrong.<br />
&#8216;Goodness&#8217; must be chosen; thus freedom is a prerequisite of &#8216;goodness&#8217;.<br />
Winston Churchill said:  &#8220;Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.&#8221;  That&#8217;s about right, I&#8217;d say &#8211; because at least people are given the opportunity to choose good.</p>
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