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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/31/ex-gays-demand-something/#comment-95217&quot;&gt;bman&lt;/a&gt;.

then why do states allow marriages where procreation cannot occur (and in some obscure cases require the couple to prove it cannot occur)?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/31/ex-gays-demand-something/#comment-95217">bman</a>.</p>
<p>then why do states allow marriages where procreation cannot occur (and in some obscure cases require the couple to prove it cannot occur)?</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/31/ex-gays-demand-something/#comment-95589&quot;&gt;Richard Willmer&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot; it would, in a sense, &#039;get the state out of the bedroom&#039;.&quot;
How is the state currently &quot;in the bedroom&quot; wrt to marriage?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/31/ex-gays-demand-something/#comment-95589">Richard Willmer</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221; it would, in a sense, &#8216;get the state out of the bedroom&#8217;.&#8221;<br />
How is the state currently &#8220;in the bedroom&#8221; wrt to marriage?</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2018 01:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/31/ex-gays-demand-something/#comment-95216&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

then why are you suggesting changing the name from &quot;civil marriage&quot; to &quot;civil partnership&quot;?  that seems to imply that religion has &quot;ownership&quot; of the word marriage when it does not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/31/ex-gays-demand-something/#comment-95216">ken</a>.</p>
<p>then why are you suggesting changing the name from &#8220;civil marriage&#8221; to &#8220;civil partnership&#8221;?  that seems to imply that religion has &#8220;ownership&#8221; of the word marriage when it does not.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/31/ex-gays-demand-something/#comment-95216&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

My understanding is that, here in England and Wales, and in Scotland, there&#039;s no concept of &#039;consummation&#039; in respect of a civil partnership.  (Maybe it&#039;s different in your jurisdiction.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/31/ex-gays-demand-something/#comment-95216">ken</a>.</p>
<p>My understanding is that, here in England and Wales, and in Scotland, there&#8217;s no concept of &#8216;consummation&#8217; in respect of a civil partnership.  (Maybe it&#8217;s different in your jurisdiction.)</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2018 01:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/31/ex-gays-demand-something/#comment-95217&quot;&gt;bman&lt;/a&gt;.

Re. Plyler v. Doe etc: in this case it would depend on how the law in questions.  What difference does it make to a woman who has just lost her partner and needs to inherit that partner&#039;s real estate in order to have a place to live, if the partner was male or female.
If the law on partnerships is framed to cover these kinds of practical matters which are of genuine &#039;public moment&#039;, we will not have a &quot;Plyler v. Doe problem.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/31/ex-gays-demand-something/#comment-95217">bman</a>.</p>
<p>Re. Plyler v. Doe etc: in this case it would depend on how the law in questions.  What difference does it make to a woman who has just lost her partner and needs to inherit that partner&#8217;s real estate in order to have a place to live, if the partner was male or female.<br />
If the law on partnerships is framed to cover these kinds of practical matters which are of genuine &#8216;public moment&#8217;, we will not have a &#8220;Plyler v. Doe problem.&#8221;</p>
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