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	Comments on: David Barton Says 4 Professors Criticized The Jefferson Lies; He Forgot Some	</title>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-92431&quot;&gt;Patrocles&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;why is it so boring to do something encouraging, supportive etc. for Christian Americans?&quot;
Who says it is boring? And if you think the US isn&#039;t &quot;encouraging, supportive, etc&quot; of christian americans you haven&#039;t been paying much attention.
&quot;why is it so much more fascinating (awarding? satisfying?) to find faults in another guy who tries to do something encouraging, supportive etc.?&quot;
No one is finding fault with Barton because he is trying to be &quot;encouraging, supportive.&quot;  They are finding fault with him because he is spreading a false and misleading narrative to support is own personal prejudices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-92431">Patrocles</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;why is it so boring to do something encouraging, supportive etc. for Christian Americans?&#8221;<br />
Who says it is boring? And if you think the US isn&#8217;t &#8220;encouraging, supportive, etc&#8221; of christian americans you haven&#8217;t been paying much attention.<br />
&#8220;why is it so much more fascinating (awarding? satisfying?) to find faults in another guy who tries to do something encouraging, supportive etc.?&#8221;<br />
No one is finding fault with Barton because he is trying to be &#8220;encouraging, supportive.&#8221;  They are finding fault with him because he is spreading a false and misleading narrative to support is own personal prejudices.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-92431&quot;&gt;Patrocles&lt;/a&gt;.

Christians, American or otherwise, should not expect to be &#039;supported and encouraged&#039; by &#039;the world&#039;.
Specifically on Barton: (1) in my view his theology is not Christian, and (2) I do not regard apparent historical revisionism as either &#039;supportive&#039; or &#039;encouraging&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-92431">Patrocles</a>.</p>
<p>Christians, American or otherwise, should not expect to be &#8216;supported and encouraged&#8217; by &#8216;the world&#8217;.<br />
Specifically on Barton: (1) in my view his theology is not Christian, and (2) I do not regard apparent historical revisionism as either &#8216;supportive&#8217; or &#8216;encouraging&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 21:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-83664&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly, Ken.
Some of those who oppose these &#039;bartonics&#039; do so BECAUSE they are Christians, and believe that truth (rather than trying to spin some &#039;party line&#039;) is important.  And in this regard, such people may well share important &#039;common ground&#039; with many outside the Church.  So be it - there&#039;s nothing new, or wrong, with Christians working with others on matters of high principle or practical worth.  (see, inter alia, Mark 9 : 38 - 40)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-83664">ken</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly, Ken.<br />
Some of those who oppose these &#8216;bartonics&#8217; do so BECAUSE they are Christians, and believe that truth (rather than trying to spin some &#8216;party line&#8217;) is important.  And in this regard, such people may well share important &#8216;common ground&#8217; with many outside the Church.  So be it &#8211; there&#8217;s nothing new, or wrong, with Christians working with others on matters of high principle or practical worth.  (see, inter alia, Mark 9 : 38 &#8211; 40)</p>
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		By: Patrocles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-76161&quot;&gt;Patrocles&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, but why is it so boring to do something encouraging, supportive etc. for Christian Americans? And why is it so much more fascinating (awarding? satisfying?) to find faults in another guy who tries to do something encouraging, supportive etc.?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-76161">Patrocles</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, but why is it so boring to do something encouraging, supportive etc. for Christian Americans? And why is it so much more fascinating (awarding? satisfying?) to find faults in another guy who tries to do something encouraging, supportive etc.?</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-76162&quot;&gt;Jim Stanley&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, in the 90s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-76162">Jim Stanley</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, in the 90s.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-81814&quot;&gt;Nicholas&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Nicholas!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-81814">Nicholas</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Nicholas!</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-76160&quot;&gt;Steve Roberts&lt;/a&gt;.

Steve and all - Thanks for joining the #Barton4. Feel free to bring a friend...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-76160">Steve Roberts</a>.</p>
<p>Steve and all &#8211; Thanks for joining the #Barton4. Feel free to bring a friend&#8230;</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-82494&quot;&gt;Bill Fortenberry&lt;/a&gt;.

Bill - Really?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-82494">Bill Fortenberry</a>.</p>
<p>Bill &#8211; Really?</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-86781&quot;&gt;William Birch&lt;/a&gt;.

I was going to say something similar.
Also, given his previous stance about how Ph.ds are atheist, liberal elitists, seems odd how is (incorrectly) trying to imply the majority of them aren&#039;t opposed to his claims.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-86781">William Birch</a>.</p>
<p>I was going to say something similar.<br />
Also, given his previous stance about how Ph.ds are atheist, liberal elitists, seems odd how is (incorrectly) trying to imply the majority of them aren&#8217;t opposed to his claims.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/23/david-barton-says-4-professors-criticized-the-jefferson-lies-he-forgot-some/#comment-76161&quot;&gt;Patrocles&lt;/a&gt;.

Why is that relevant to the issue of whether Barton is accurately portraying US history?
Are you trying to imply that only historians with a negative view of christianity would disagree with what Barton has done?]]></description>
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<p>Why is that relevant to the issue of whether Barton is accurately portraying US history?<br />
Are you trying to imply that only historians with a negative view of christianity would disagree with what Barton has done?</p>
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