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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-81638&quot;&gt;Mary&lt;/a&gt;.

Mary, after the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the citizens of California voted to amend their constitution to make racial discrimination legal in the sale of real estate.  The court voided the will of the ignorant then, too.
In San Diego, a campus of the University of California was founded purely as a graduate and scientific research campus.  The campus is UCSD in La Jolla, which was then an &quot;exclusive&quot; neighborhood.  The faculty search committee was told that there is no such thing as a first-rate scientific institution without Jewish professors. Nearly all the leading physicists and mathematicians on the Manhattan Project were Hungarian Jews who went to the same high school.
BTW, that &quot;gentlemen&#039;s agreement&quot; to keep Jews from buying real estate in La Jolla was voided well in advance of the civil rights act of 1964.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-81638">Mary</a>.</p>
<p>Mary, after the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the citizens of California voted to amend their constitution to make racial discrimination legal in the sale of real estate.  The court voided the will of the ignorant then, too.<br />
In San Diego, a campus of the University of California was founded purely as a graduate and scientific research campus.  The campus is UCSD in La Jolla, which was then an &#8220;exclusive&#8221; neighborhood.  The faculty search committee was told that there is no such thing as a first-rate scientific institution without Jewish professors. Nearly all the leading physicists and mathematicians on the Manhattan Project were Hungarian Jews who went to the same high school.<br />
BTW, that &#8220;gentlemen&#8217;s agreement&#8221; to keep Jews from buying real estate in La Jolla was voided well in advance of the civil rights act of 1964.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-76175&quot;&gt;david blakeslee&lt;/a&gt;.

There once was a law that prevented Chinese citizens (of the United States) from owning too much property.  that was the will of the people, voted upon and agreed upon.  It doesn&#039;t make it right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-76175">david blakeslee</a>.</p>
<p>There once was a law that prevented Chinese citizens (of the United States) from owning too much property.  that was the will of the people, voted upon and agreed upon.  It doesn&#8217;t make it right.</p>
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		By: Ford		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-76168&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

I feel exactly the same way about the prop 8 decision.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-76168">ken</a>.</p>
<p>I feel exactly the same way about the prop 8 decision.</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-56514&quot;&gt;Mary&lt;/a&gt;.

Mary, after the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the citizens of California voted to amend their constitution to make racial discrimination legal in the sale of real estate.  The court voided the will of the ignorant then, too.
In San Diego, a campus of the University of California was founded purely as a graduate and scientific research campus.  The campus is UCSD in La Jolla, which was then an &quot;exclusive&quot; neighborhood.  The faculty search committee was told that there is no such thing as a first-rate scientific institution without Jewish professors. Nearly all the leading physicists and mathematicians on the Manhattan Project were Hungarian Jews who went to the same high school.
BTW, that &quot;gentlemen&#039;s agreement&quot; to keep Jews from buying real estate in La Jolla was voided well in advance of the civil rights act of 1964.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-56514">Mary</a>.</p>
<p>Mary, after the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the citizens of California voted to amend their constitution to make racial discrimination legal in the sale of real estate.  The court voided the will of the ignorant then, too.<br />
In San Diego, a campus of the University of California was founded purely as a graduate and scientific research campus.  The campus is UCSD in La Jolla, which was then an &#8220;exclusive&#8221; neighborhood.  The faculty search committee was told that there is no such thing as a first-rate scientific institution without Jewish professors. Nearly all the leading physicists and mathematicians on the Manhattan Project were Hungarian Jews who went to the same high school.<br />
BTW, that &#8220;gentlemen&#8217;s agreement&#8221; to keep Jews from buying real estate in La Jolla was voided well in advance of the civil rights act of 1964.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[5-4 to say that DOMA was unconstitutional.
Jeez Louise, what more evidence is required that the SCOTUS is hopelessly politicised. It should have been a 7:0 slam-dunk.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;At least without some more convincing evidence that the Act’s principal purpose was to codify malice, and that it furthered no legitimate government interests, I would not tar the political branches with the brush of bigotry.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;(Roberts, C.J. dissent, p2, on p32)
One only has to read the Congressional Record. It&#039;s quite explicit.
The House Judiciary Committee stated that the Act was intended by Congress to &quot;reflect and honor a collective moral judgment and to express moral disapproval of homosexuality.&quot;
In opposition to the bill, Colorado Rep. Patricia Schroeder said, &quot;You can&#039;t amend the Constitution with a statute. Everybody knows that. This is just stirring the political waters and seeing what hate you can unleash.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5-4 to say that DOMA was unconstitutional.<br />
Jeez Louise, what more evidence is required that the SCOTUS is hopelessly politicised. It should have been a 7:0 slam-dunk.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;At least without some more convincing evidence that the Act’s principal purpose was to codify malice, and that it furthered no legitimate government interests, I would not tar the political branches with the brush of bigotry.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>(Roberts, C.J. dissent, p2, on p32)<br />
One only has to read the Congressional Record. It&#8217;s quite explicit.<br />
The House Judiciary Committee stated that the Act was intended by Congress to &#8220;reflect and honor a collective moral judgment and to express moral disapproval of homosexuality.&#8221;<br />
In opposition to the bill, Colorado Rep. Patricia Schroeder said, &#8220;You can&#8217;t amend the Constitution with a statute. Everybody knows that. This is just stirring the political waters and seeing what hate you can unleash.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-76181</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[5-4 to say that DOMA was unconstitutional.
Jeez Louise, what more evidence is required that the SCOTUS is hopelessly politicised. It should have been a 7:0 slam-dunk.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;At least without some more convincing evidence that the Act&#039;s principal purpose was to codify malice, and that it furthered no legitimate government interests, I would not tar the political branches with the brush of bigotry.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;(Roberts, C.J. dissent, p2, on p32)
One only has to read the Congressional Record. It&#039;s quite explicit.
The House Judiciary Committee stated that the Act was intended by Congress to &quot;reflect and honor a collective moral judgment and to express moral disapproval of homosexuality.&quot;
In opposition to the bill, Colorado Rep. Patricia Schroeder said, &quot;You can&#039;t amend the Constitution with a statute. Everybody knows that. This is just stirring the political waters and seeing what hate you can unleash.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5-4 to say that DOMA was unconstitutional.<br />
Jeez Louise, what more evidence is required that the SCOTUS is hopelessly politicised. It should have been a 7:0 slam-dunk.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;At least without some more convincing evidence that the Act&#8217;s principal purpose was to codify malice, and that it furthered no legitimate government interests, I would not tar the political branches with the brush of bigotry.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>(Roberts, C.J. dissent, p2, on p32)<br />
One only has to read the Congressional Record. It&#8217;s quite explicit.<br />
The House Judiciary Committee stated that the Act was intended by Congress to &#8220;reflect and honor a collective moral judgment and to express moral disapproval of homosexuality.&#8221;<br />
In opposition to the bill, Colorado Rep. Patricia Schroeder said, &#8220;You can&#8217;t amend the Constitution with a statute. Everybody knows that. This is just stirring the political waters and seeing what hate you can unleash.&#8221;</p>
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		By: stephen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SG. I think he actually makes upwards of $500,000 a year from NOM. He receives two salaries. One for activism and the other for teaching. I think that&#039;s right. And let&#039;s not forget Frank Schubert who made over $3M in the space of a couple of years. Maggie Gallagher is down to a mere $160,000.
And yes, how much they pay themselves does matters. It&#039;s not called the anti-gay industrial complex for nothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG. I think he actually makes upwards of $500,000 a year from NOM. He receives two salaries. One for activism and the other for teaching. I think that&#8217;s right. And let&#8217;s not forget Frank Schubert who made over $3M in the space of a couple of years. Maggie Gallagher is down to a mere $160,000.<br />
And yes, how much they pay themselves does matters. It&#8217;s not called the anti-gay industrial complex for nothing.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A little aside ...
As debate rages on the meaning of &#039;marriage&#039;, I was somewhat amused to hear, as the first reading at today&#039;s Mass, Genesis 16 : 1 - 12, 15, 16.  Makes one wonder what a &#039;biblical&#039; understanding of &#039;marriage&#039; might actually entail!
I was then pulled up short by one of the passages, from the Holy Gospel, that really does bring me to a place of &#039;fear and trembling&#039;: + Matthew 7 : 21 - 29.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little aside &#8230;<br />
As debate rages on the meaning of &#8216;marriage&#8217;, I was somewhat amused to hear, as the first reading at today&#8217;s Mass, Genesis 16 : 1 &#8211; 12, 15, 16.  Makes one wonder what a &#8216;biblical&#8217; understanding of &#8216;marriage&#8217; might actually entail!<br />
I was then pulled up short by one of the passages, from the Holy Gospel, that really does bring me to a place of &#8216;fear and trembling&#8217;: + Matthew 7 : 21 &#8211; 29.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-56506&quot;&gt;david blakeslee&lt;/a&gt;.

There once was a law that prevented Chinese citizens (of the United States) from owning too much property.  that was the will of the people, voted upon and agreed upon.  It doesn&#039;t make it right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court-marriage-decisions-open-forum/#comment-56506">david blakeslee</a>.</p>
<p>There once was a law that prevented Chinese citizens (of the United States) from owning too much property.  that was the will of the people, voted upon and agreed upon.  It doesn&#8217;t make it right.</p>
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		By: stephen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SG. I think he actually makes upwards of $500,000 a year from NOM. He receives two salaries. One for activism and the other for teaching. I think that&#039;s right. And let&#039;s not forget Frank Schubert who made over $3M in the space of a couple of years. Maggie Gallagher is down to a mere $160,000.
And yes, how much they pay themselves does matters. It&#039;s not called the anti-gay industrial complex for nothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG. I think he actually makes upwards of $500,000 a year from NOM. He receives two salaries. One for activism and the other for teaching. I think that&#8217;s right. And let&#8217;s not forget Frank Schubert who made over $3M in the space of a couple of years. Maggie Gallagher is down to a mere $160,000.<br />
And yes, how much they pay themselves does matters. It&#8217;s not called the anti-gay industrial complex for nothing.</p>
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