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	Comments on: The Closing of Exodus International: Open Forum	</title>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-93458&quot;&gt;Warren&lt;/a&gt;.

John - I just re-read your open letter to Chambers, and the shoot first expression might be close. You make assumptions about Alan&#039;s motives and the timing of various events for which you don&#039;t have evidence. My impression is that you have your mind made up about the guy and what is going on there.
Skepticism is warranted when public leaders make big changes; I get that. However, as Richard noted above, it is the manner of expressing your skepticism that is troubling to me. In my case, you told me that I was asking people to lie by passing out Golden Rule Pledge cards. In Alan&#039;s case, you wrote:
&quot;And if that&#039;s the case, then of course you&#039;re not really apologizing at all. Then you&#039;re no different from the guy saying, &quot;I apologize for being the leader of a group of white-hooded KKK guys who burned a cross on your lawn. That was wrong. You niggers still need to go, of course. But we&#039;re gonna stop with the hoods and the cross burnings. People just don&#039;t get behind that the way they used to. So we&#039;re gonna regroup, lose the name &#039;KKK,&#039; and come up with a more acceptable way of promoting what we believe. Isn&#039;t that great?!&quot;&quot;
First, the use of the n-word and reference to the KKK is offensive and way out of line. Second, your analogy doesn&#039;t describe what is happening. It does manage to inflame and is &quot;fierce&quot; but is not constructive.
John, we have to live together, people who are side A and side B. Demonizing each other is not going to get us anywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-93458">Warren</a>.</p>
<p>John &#8211; I just re-read your open letter to Chambers, and the shoot first expression might be close. You make assumptions about Alan&#8217;s motives and the timing of various events for which you don&#8217;t have evidence. My impression is that you have your mind made up about the guy and what is going on there.<br />
Skepticism is warranted when public leaders make big changes; I get that. However, as Richard noted above, it is the manner of expressing your skepticism that is troubling to me. In my case, you told me that I was asking people to lie by passing out Golden Rule Pledge cards. In Alan&#8217;s case, you wrote:<br />
&#8220;And if that&#8217;s the case, then of course you&#8217;re not really apologizing at all. Then you&#8217;re no different from the guy saying, &#8220;I apologize for being the leader of a group of white-hooded KKK guys who burned a cross on your lawn. That was wrong. You niggers still need to go, of course. But we&#8217;re gonna stop with the hoods and the cross burnings. People just don&#8217;t get behind that the way they used to. So we&#8217;re gonna regroup, lose the name &#8216;KKK,&#8217; and come up with a more acceptable way of promoting what we believe. Isn&#8217;t that great?!&#8221;&#8221;<br />
First, the use of the n-word and reference to the KKK is offensive and way out of line. Second, your analogy doesn&#8217;t describe what is happening. It does manage to inflame and is &#8220;fierce&#8221; but is not constructive.<br />
John, we have to live together, people who are side A and side B. Demonizing each other is not going to get us anywhere.</p>
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		By: Norm		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-93466&quot;&gt;Karen&lt;/a&gt;.

I wonder if the Exodus conference attendees knew they were going to be attending a wake for a dead ministry.  It seems Chambers has been pondering this decision for a while, so it would be heartless for him to not warn the few remaining loyal Exodus supporters that this conference would dire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-93466">Karen</a>.</p>
<p>I wonder if the Exodus conference attendees knew they were going to be attending a wake for a dead ministry.  It seems Chambers has been pondering this decision for a while, so it would be heartless for him to not warn the few remaining loyal Exodus supporters that this conference would dire.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-95342</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-93397&quot;&gt;Ford&lt;/a&gt;.

I think Warren&#039;s point is that Shore&#039;s STYLE is not always helpful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-93397">Ford</a>.</p>
<p>I think Warren&#8217;s point is that Shore&#8217;s STYLE is not always helpful.</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-93467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-87493&quot;&gt;Ann&lt;/a&gt;.

Ann,
I , too, hope people will continue to live the life they value.
My feelings and thoughts about Exodus closing have moved around a lot.  I guess, right now I have some very mixed feelings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-87493">Ann</a>.</p>
<p>Ann,<br />
I , too, hope people will continue to live the life they value.<br />
My feelings and thoughts about Exodus closing have moved around a lot.  I guess, right now I have some very mixed feelings.</p>
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		By: Jarred H		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jarred H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-87494&quot;&gt;Ann&lt;/a&gt;.

Ann, it strikes me as odd to discount GCN as a an alternative based on the fact that it&#039;s Christian, considering Exodus was also unapologetically Christian.  I can&#039;t imagine why anyone who was not bothered by Exodus&#039;s religious affiliation would suddenly be bothered by the fact that GCN has the same affiliation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/21/the-closing-of-exodus-international-open-forum/#comment-87494">Ann</a>.</p>
<p>Ann, it strikes me as odd to discount GCN as a an alternative based on the fact that it&#8217;s Christian, considering Exodus was also unapologetically Christian.  I can&#8217;t imagine why anyone who was not bothered by Exodus&#8217;s religious affiliation would suddenly be bothered by the fact that GCN has the same affiliation.</p>
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