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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-93297</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StraightGrandmother]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-77433&quot;&gt;Michael Bussee&lt;/a&gt;.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-77433">Michael Bussee</a>.</p>
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		By: William Birch		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-93296</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Birch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-77433&quot;&gt;Michael Bussee&lt;/a&gt;.

Indeed! :^)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-77433">Michael Bussee</a>.</p>
<p>Indeed! :^)</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-56422</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks david...You were there too and I have always appreciated your support...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks david&#8230;You were there too and I have always appreciated your support&#8230;</p>
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		By: david blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-56421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren...this is really great news and validates the path you chose 5 years ago.  I so deeply respect your courage and adherence to &quot;all the truth&quot; in moving people on both sides of this debate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren&#8230;this is really great news and validates the path you chose 5 years ago.  I so deeply respect your courage and adherence to &#8220;all the truth&#8221; in moving people on both sides of this debate.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-77439</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks david...You were there too and I have always appreciated your support...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks david&#8230;You were there too and I have always appreciated your support&#8230;</p>
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		By: david blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-77434</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren...this is really great news and validates the path you chose 5 years ago.  I so deeply respect your courage and adherence to &quot;all the truth&quot; in moving people on both sides of this debate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren&#8230;this is really great news and validates the path you chose 5 years ago.  I so deeply respect your courage and adherence to &#8220;all the truth&#8221; in moving people on both sides of this debate.</p>
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		By: William Birch		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-56420</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Birch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-56411&quot;&gt;Michael Bussee&lt;/a&gt;.

Indeed! :^)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-56411">Michael Bussee</a>.</p>
<p>Indeed! :^)</p>
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		By: stephen		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-56419</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With a new &#039;ministry&#039; (and his qualifications for launching such a thing are... ?) it&#039;s beginning to sound like a product launch.
And let&#039;s just take a moment to remember the kids who killed themselves or ended up on the streets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a new &#8216;ministry&#8217; (and his qualifications for launching such a thing are&#8230; ?) it&#8217;s beginning to sound like a product launch.<br />
And let&#8217;s just take a moment to remember the kids who killed themselves or ended up on the streets.</p>
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		By: Tom Van Dyke		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-56418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Van Dyke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Exodus demonstrates a familiar pattern; A 501(c)3 being run by someone with no business experience running anything. After losing about 200K in 2010 they failed to reduce their budget and lost another 200K in 2011 which put them on the verge of insolvency. About 25% of revenues were derived from conference registrations. I suspect that 2012 left them with negative working capital and net asset value.
Chambers’ “apology” left many unanswered questions and was written like a PR puff piece.&lt;/i&gt;
Sounds like he needs a new racket.  It&#039;s either that or get a real job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Exodus demonstrates a familiar pattern; A 501(c)3 being run by someone with no business experience running anything. After losing about 200K in 2010 they failed to reduce their budget and lost another 200K in 2011 which put them on the verge of insolvency. About 25% of revenues were derived from conference registrations. I suspect that 2012 left them with negative working capital and net asset value.<br />
Chambers’ “apology” left many unanswered questions and was written like a PR puff piece.</i><br />
Sounds like he needs a new racket.  It&#8217;s either that or get a real job.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/20/exodus-international-to-shut-down-and-start-over/#comment-56417</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brown&#039;s question about how &#039;the world&#039; sees &#039;the Church&#039; is a very apposite one, but I suspect I would draw rather different conclusions from an exploration of that question than would he.
The fact is that, in a number of places, &#039;homosexuality&#039; (something that is often differently understood by different people) is a &#039;hot political issue&#039;, and the Church should not IMO get involved with it &#039;as an issue&#039; (Jesus never mentioned it as such), but rather always seek to minister as best she may to people &#039;where they are&#039;.  What we are now witnessing are splits in the Church as a result of &#039;political stances&#039; being taken.
Where I think Chambers is getting it so RIGHT is that he seems to be saying that he understands that embracing &#039;pat answers&#039; (&quot;all a gay [or straight, or bisexual, or &#039;closeted&#039;, or whatever] person must do is XYZ and things will be hunky-dory&quot;) to complex issues is not the way forward.  I&#039;m sure that I, and others, will in the future find matters of detail on which he and I (and others) disagree.  But that of itself doesn&#039;t matter; what matters is &#039;process&#039; and dialogue.  None of us has a monopoly on the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown&#8217;s question about how &#8216;the world&#8217; sees &#8216;the Church&#8217; is a very apposite one, but I suspect I would draw rather different conclusions from an exploration of that question than would he.<br />
The fact is that, in a number of places, &#8216;homosexuality&#8217; (something that is often differently understood by different people) is a &#8216;hot political issue&#8217;, and the Church should not IMO get involved with it &#8216;as an issue&#8217; (Jesus never mentioned it as such), but rather always seek to minister as best she may to people &#8216;where they are&#8217;.  What we are now witnessing are splits in the Church as a result of &#8216;political stances&#8217; being taken.<br />
Where I think Chambers is getting it so RIGHT is that he seems to be saying that he understands that embracing &#8216;pat answers&#8217; (&#8220;all a gay [or straight, or bisexual, or &#8216;closeted&#8217;, or whatever] person must do is XYZ and things will be hunky-dory&#8221;) to complex issues is not the way forward.  I&#8217;m sure that I, and others, will in the future find matters of detail on which he and I (and others) disagree.  But that of itself doesn&#8217;t matter; what matters is &#8216;process&#8217; and dialogue.  None of us has a monopoly on the truth.</p>
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