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	Comments on: David Barton: AIDS is a Consequence of Homosexuality	</title>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He cannot fathom a social science like history, why should it be expected that he could understand a real science like biology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He cannot fathom a social science like history, why should it be expected that he could understand a real science like biology.</p>
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		By: Throbert McGee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Throbert McGee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ David Cary Hart:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I am at a loss to explain how/why gay men are still spreading AIDS.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;
David -- although I don&#039;t agree with the &quot;Never Have Anal Sex, Ever&quot; position of the self-described &quot;frot radicals&quot; like Bill Weintraub, I wholly affirm one of their points: the &quot;vanillafication&quot; of anal sex has played an important role in explaining why gay men still spread HIV among themselves.
Most gay men, at least in contemporary anglo-american gay culture, take it for granted that anal sex isn&#039;t at all kinky or edgy or taboo. It&#039;s something a self-respecting gay man can talk about on a first date or even DO on a first date. If a gay man wants to &quot;take a walk on the wild side,&quot; he could perhaps try to talk his boyfriend into golden showers, or whips-and-handcuffs, or whatever. But anal sex isn&#039;t &quot;a walk on the wild side,&quot; at least in gay male culture -- it&#039;s completely &lt;b&gt;vanilla&lt;/b&gt;.
Imagine, as a thought experiment, how the HIV epidemic might have progressed if the vast majority of gay men accepted golden showers (for example) as completely &quot;vanilla&quot;, while considering anal sex to be &quot;rather kinky&quot; -- something done only occasionally, with a very trusted partner who wants to &quot;walk on the wild side,&quot; but certainly not something that most guys would consider altogether &lt;i&gt;normal&lt;/i&gt;, or discuss with casual acquaintances.
Imagine, in other words, that discourse such as &quot;Do you like it when your boyfriend pees all over you? -- Well, gosh, who doesn&#039;t!&quot; was socially acceptable and &quot;vanilla&quot; within the gay male subculture, while &quot;Are you an anal Top or Bottom?&quot; was heard only in whispers among hard-core fetishists in S&#038;M bars.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David Cary Hart:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am at a loss to explain how/why gay men are still spreading AIDS.  </p></blockquote>
<p>David &#8212; although I don&#8217;t agree with the &#8220;Never Have Anal Sex, Ever&#8221; position of the self-described &#8220;frot radicals&#8221; like Bill Weintraub, I wholly affirm one of their points: the &#8220;vanillafication&#8221; of anal sex has played an important role in explaining why gay men still spread HIV among themselves.<br />
Most gay men, at least in contemporary anglo-american gay culture, take it for granted that anal sex isn&#8217;t at all kinky or edgy or taboo. It&#8217;s something a self-respecting gay man can talk about on a first date or even DO on a first date. If a gay man wants to &#8220;take a walk on the wild side,&#8221; he could perhaps try to talk his boyfriend into golden showers, or whips-and-handcuffs, or whatever. But anal sex isn&#8217;t &#8220;a walk on the wild side,&#8221; at least in gay male culture &#8212; it&#8217;s completely <b>vanilla</b>.<br />
Imagine, as a thought experiment, how the HIV epidemic might have progressed if the vast majority of gay men accepted golden showers (for example) as completely &#8220;vanilla&#8221;, while considering anal sex to be &#8220;rather kinky&#8221; &#8212; something done only occasionally, with a very trusted partner who wants to &#8220;walk on the wild side,&#8221; but certainly not something that most guys would consider altogether <i>normal</i>, or discuss with casual acquaintances.<br />
Imagine, in other words, that discourse such as &#8220;Do you like it when your boyfriend pees all over you? &#8212; Well, gosh, who doesn&#8217;t!&#8221; was socially acceptable and &#8220;vanilla&#8221; within the gay male subculture, while &#8220;Are you an anal Top or Bottom?&#8221; was heard only in whispers among hard-core fetishists in S&#038;M bars.</p>
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		By: Throbert McGee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;[continued, and concluding]&lt;/i&gt;
On this Parallel Earth of our thought-experiment, I believe it&#039;s safe to say that the HIV epidemic among gay men would&#039;ve been much smaller and progressed much more slowly -- because anal sex is the only &quot;homosexual&quot; act that transmits HIV with any efficiency.
So, while &quot;be responsible and use a condom&quot; is an important message for gay men, it&#039;s also important to recognize that gay culture, gay media, gay porn, and gay advertising all condition gay men to perceive anal sex as not merely &quot;vanilla,&quot; but even, in the minds of many gay men, &lt;i&gt;the ultimate form of intimacy&lt;/i&gt;.
And if anal sex is the ultimate form of male/male intimacy, then perhaps the only way to make it MORE intimate is by doing it without a condom.
And that, I believe, is a significant part of why gay men still spread AIDS/HIV to each other, and still stupidly expose themselves to infection by a not-very-contagious virus: they&#039;re chasing after the sensation of &quot;intimacy&quot; that is purportedly generated by bareback anal sex.
One solution to this is to challenge the idea that condomless anal sex is &quot;less intimate&quot; than doing it with a rubber. But in my view, it&#039;s equally important to challenge the idea that frottage and oral sex are &quot;less intimate&quot; than anal sex, and the corresponding notion that gay men who eschew anal sex in favor of frottage or oral sex are somehow missing out on True Intimacy&#8482;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[continued, and concluding]</i><br />
On this Parallel Earth of our thought-experiment, I believe it&#8217;s safe to say that the HIV epidemic among gay men would&#8217;ve been much smaller and progressed much more slowly &#8212; because anal sex is the only &#8220;homosexual&#8221; act that transmits HIV with any efficiency.<br />
So, while &#8220;be responsible and use a condom&#8221; is an important message for gay men, it&#8217;s also important to recognize that gay culture, gay media, gay porn, and gay advertising all condition gay men to perceive anal sex as not merely &#8220;vanilla,&#8221; but even, in the minds of many gay men, <i>the ultimate form of intimacy</i>.<br />
And if anal sex is the ultimate form of male/male intimacy, then perhaps the only way to make it MORE intimate is by doing it without a condom.<br />
And that, I believe, is a significant part of why gay men still spread AIDS/HIV to each other, and still stupidly expose themselves to infection by a not-very-contagious virus: they&#8217;re chasing after the sensation of &#8220;intimacy&#8221; that is purportedly generated by bareback anal sex.<br />
One solution to this is to challenge the idea that condomless anal sex is &#8220;less intimate&#8221; than doing it with a rubber. But in my view, it&#8217;s equally important to challenge the idea that frottage and oral sex are &#8220;less intimate&#8221; than anal sex, and the corresponding notion that gay men who eschew anal sex in favor of frottage or oral sex are somehow missing out on True Intimacy&#8482;.</p>
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		By: Gregg A. Gold		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/05/20/david-barton-aids-is-consequence-of-homosexuality/#comment-56020</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregg A. Gold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 22:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do not know if AIDS is God&#039;s judgement on anybody, but we have to ask why it is still spreading among gay men. According to the Center for Disease Control &#038; Prevention, gay men are 44 time more likely to become HIV positive. The HIV/AIDS infection rate among gay and bisexual men in the USA has been increasing by 8% annually since 2002. The current HIV/AIDS rate is now at 63%, with another one-third also infected but unaware until they become chronically sick. These are shocking figures.
Medical experts who have studied and tracked HIV/AIDS worldwide still point to high-risk behaviors such as unprotected sex, having multiple partners, injection drug use and drug use in general for making gay men more vulnerable to infection. Also, there is an 18 times greater risk of HIV transmission through anal sex than through vaginal sex, which may explain why the virus continues to thrive in gay men, despite the fact that they still receive the bulk of HIV awareness and treatment public-health messages.
One has to wonder when this pattern is going to change. Given the high HIV/AIDS infection among gay and bisexual men just in the USA, just how much will this devastate their numbers in another 30 years from now?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know if AIDS is God&#8217;s judgement on anybody, but we have to ask why it is still spreading among gay men. According to the Center for Disease Control &amp; Prevention, gay men are 44 time more likely to become HIV positive. The HIV/AIDS infection rate among gay and bisexual men in the USA has been increasing by 8% annually since 2002. The current HIV/AIDS rate is now at 63%, with another one-third also infected but unaware until they become chronically sick. These are shocking figures.<br />
Medical experts who have studied and tracked HIV/AIDS worldwide still point to high-risk behaviors such as unprotected sex, having multiple partners, injection drug use and drug use in general for making gay men more vulnerable to infection. Also, there is an 18 times greater risk of HIV transmission through anal sex than through vaginal sex, which may explain why the virus continues to thrive in gay men, despite the fact that they still receive the bulk of HIV awareness and treatment public-health messages.<br />
One has to wonder when this pattern is going to change. Given the high HIV/AIDS infection among gay and bisexual men just in the USA, just how much will this devastate their numbers in another 30 years from now?</p>
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		By: Gregg A. Gold		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/05/20/david-barton-aids-is-consequence-of-homosexuality/#comment-88133</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregg A. Gold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 18:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do not know if AIDS is God&#039;s judgement on anybody, but we have to ask why it is still spreading among gay men. According to the Center for Disease Control &#038; Prevention, gay men are 44 time more likely to become HIV positive. The HIV/AIDS infection rate among gay and bisexual men in the USA has been increasing by 8% annually since 2002. The current HIV/AIDS rate is now at 63%, with another one-third also infected but unaware until they become chronically sick. These are shocking figures.
Medical experts who have studied and tracked HIV/AIDS worldwide still point to high-risk behaviors such as unprotected sex, having multiple partners, injection drug use and drug use in general for making gay men more vulnerable to infection. Also, there is an 18 times greater risk of HIV transmission through anal sex than through vaginal sex, which may explain why the virus continues to thrive in gay men, despite the fact that they still receive the bulk of HIV awareness and treatment public-health messages.
One has to wonder when this pattern is going to change. Given the high HIV/AIDS infection among gay and bisexual men just in the USA, just how much will this devastate their numbers in another 30 years from now?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know if AIDS is God&#8217;s judgement on anybody, but we have to ask why it is still spreading among gay men. According to the Center for Disease Control &#38; Prevention, gay men are 44 time more likely to become HIV positive. The HIV/AIDS infection rate among gay and bisexual men in the USA has been increasing by 8% annually since 2002. The current HIV/AIDS rate is now at 63%, with another one-third also infected but unaware until they become chronically sick. These are shocking figures.<br />
Medical experts who have studied and tracked HIV/AIDS worldwide still point to high-risk behaviors such as unprotected sex, having multiple partners, injection drug use and drug use in general for making gay men more vulnerable to infection. Also, there is an 18 times greater risk of HIV transmission through anal sex than through vaginal sex, which may explain why the virus continues to thrive in gay men, despite the fact that they still receive the bulk of HIV awareness and treatment public-health messages.<br />
One has to wonder when this pattern is going to change. Given the high HIV/AIDS infection among gay and bisexual men just in the USA, just how much will this devastate their numbers in another 30 years from now?</p>
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