Comments on: Based on Biased Reading of New Mortality Study, Paul Cameron Gives Sen. Portman Parenting Advice

By: Gregory Peterson

Gregory Peterson — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:17:44 +0000

Bill Fortenberry: “Homosexuality” is a much abused modern era social construct with a lot of discredited scientific baggage, which Dr. Throckmorton has exposed and is exposing. The social construct of “homosexuality” didn’t exist in biblical times. They had their own social constructs. As L. P. Hartley famously wrote, “The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there.”
Genesis 19:5: Gang rape isn’t “homosexuality.” Gang rape is about violently breaking a man into becoming a slave. I would worry about a person who can’t understand the difference between gang rape and mutual consensual, adult relationships.
Leviticus 18:22: Why would a Gay man sleep with a man as with a woman? A Gay man sleeps with a man as with a man. However, a straight man might sleep with a man as with a woman. In any case, Lev. 18 is, as it says it is in the introduction, about the politics of identity, of not doing as the ancient Egyptians and Canaanites did. What they did were the fertility cult rituals listed in Chapter 18. Do not lay with a cross dressing priest to offer up a male “seed” sacrifice to Moloch/Baal/other fertility gods.
Deuteronomy 23:17-18: Condemning prostitution isn’t condemning “homosexuality,” it’s condemning prostitution.
I think I have better things to do at the moment than running down the rest of your list…

By: David Cary Hart

David Cary Hart — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:17:44 +0000

I read this release on my aggregator. Sadly, it is FAR from the most offensive or intellectually dishonest piece that I was confronted with today. The winner, btw, is http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/04/9970/
Anyway, I doubt that Portman will bother to tell Cameron that he is not the least bit interested in the unsolicited advice. I am no fan of Mr. Portman BUT he is sane. Mr. Cameron’s mental hygiene, on the other hand, well …

By: Bill Fortenberry

Bill Fortenberry — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:17:44 +0000

Well, Warren, I’m sure that you will strongly disagree with this, but I can’t pass up the opportunity to mention my study on the biblical statements regarding homosexuality. My research on the topic is available at: http://www.increasinglearning.com/what-the-bible-really-says-about-homosexuality.html

By: Ford

Ford — Wed, 30 May 2018 17:48:10 +0000

Bill Fortenberry,
What are you bringing to this dialog? I get that you believe the bible proscribes physical expressions of homosexual intimacy. I think you and Dr. Throckmorton agree on that point. But this post is about the integrity of someone who uses (often suspect) scientific studies in an attempt to stigmatize people who are gay, or, at the very least, justify their religion-based disapproval with non-religious “facts”.
I don’t really care if you disagree with gay-affirming theology. I’m interested to know if you think the ends justify the means. Are people like Paul Cameron or Peter Sprigg, who would use questionable science to gin up homophobia, should be applauded or denounced?

By: Shane Hardin

Shane Hardin — Wed, 15 May 2013 20:05:56 +0000

Mr. Fortenberry, do you enjoy shrimp? Lobster? Perhaps raw oysters?
Or
Are the clothes you are wearing right now mixed with two different materials?
If so, please do ever quote Leviticus again.

By: Shane Hardin

Shane Hardin — Wed, 15 May 2013 16:05:56 +0000

Mr. Fortenberry, do you enjoy shrimp? Lobster? Perhaps raw oysters?
Or
Are the clothes you are wearing right now mixed with two different materials?
If so, please do ever quote Leviticus again.

By: StraightGrandmother

StraightGrandmother — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 21:37:37 +0000

I wonder why lesbians have a higher mortality rate especially for suicide, also shows cancer as a factor. I wonder what in the Danish environment/society would account for higher suicide rates among lesbian women? I wrote to Dr. Frisch and asked him if he would send me a copy of the study.
For some reason the anti gays always seem to pick on gay men more then lesbian women and here it looks like the gay men are doing better at least on this measure. Will be waiting for Warren to lead us through it.
Oy vey! I went through the Cameron/Throckmorton/Frisch archive. You know, on anti gay websites I still regularly see that quoted, that gay men have a shortened life span by 20 years. It’s still repeated. I wonder if that is on the FRC website? I am to tired to go look.
What is with the Paul Cameron? He seems like a media W****. Just wants to be noticed and on camera. I wonder where they get their money from? Ken are you the same Ken I meet frequently at Mercator? Fitzgibbons is posting again more scientific junk on the article on the woman who though Jesus, changed her sexual orientation.

By: ken

ken — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:27:26 +0000

that was an interesting interview SG.
And thanks for pointing out the purpose of this thread was about Science not religion.

By: StraightGrandmother

StraightGrandmother — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:37:37 +0000

By: StraightGrandmother

StraightGrandmother — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:58:47 +0000

Sorry guys, but can we kindly get back to the topic at hand? I don’t remember Warren running topics on, The Biblical says this ‘n that on homosexuality”. I come here to read about science, not about the Bible.. I’ll go read the old articles, in the meantime I wonder if all of you have seen the recent Paul Cameron interview by David Packman?
http://youtu.be/fRdg1fABV3M