Comments on: Media Blackout on the Kermit Gosnell Case May Be Lifting

By: Ann

Ann — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:55:04 +0000

i do want to add a fresh point here that I’ve seldom seen anywhere else–social attitudes to unwed motherhood since 1973 and Roe v. Wade have changed almost 180 degrees–pro-life types realized that you can’t condemn unwed motherhood AND abortion at the same time, you have to make a choice as to which is the lesser moral evil, and the choice is blatantly obvious, the difference between life and death.
Tom,
I have brought this up before and think it is worth reading again. It reminds me of the unmarried woman who brings her child to church and is shunned because she is unwed instead of being embraced for bringing her child (who is alive) to church.
It is important to remember that the moral issue you are referring to about unwed mothers probably applies more to the endorsement of pre-planned or repeated pregnancies without the benefit of marriage rather than embracing and supporting an unwed mother who had an unplanned or initial unwanted pregnancy and decided to carry the pre-born child to term so it could live.

By: Ann

Ann — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:55:03 +0000

So a lot of what drove illegal abortion 50 years ago doesn’t even exist anymore. We need to take a fresh look at all this, Ann. We know a lot more than we did then–how much pro-abortion forces like NARAL were fucking lying about everything, what a baby experiences in the womb, what a mother suffers psychologically by choosing to abort her baby.
Tom,
The lies that have been told about abortion are staggering. Just now people are starting to talk about the devastating physical and psychological effects. Not only are we hearing from the individual who had the procedure but also from the man who impregnated her, the grandparents, the doctor who performed the procedure(s), the other medical staff, and others who in some way were a part, up to the person who handles the accounting. Nothing is forgotten forever – it lingers until there is a conscious awakening and then it comes out and often lasts a life time.
The answer to all this – I do not know. I do know there are choices we all can make though. Prevention of unwanted pregnancies to begin with,with men realizing they have as much responsibility as woman in this area. Education with an abundance of resources to teach and instill the consequences of abortion and the alternatives that are available. I think this should be part of school education and after through other venues. Also, collectively, we must do what we can to remove the desperation factor that leads to making a desperate choice like abortion to begin with. Right now decisions are made on what someone doesn’t want to endure for 9 months, without realizing the decision to have an abortion will last them a life time.

By: Ann

Ann — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:53:18 +0000

But it’s not really ‘rocket science’, is it?
No, but it does take substance and courage to say it 😀

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:52:20 +0000

Lost you, Tom.
I repeat: citing statistics is surely not in itself ‘rhetoric’.
Zoe’s general point about ‘testing one’s conclusions’ seems entirely reasonable to me.

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:52:20 +0000

24 Weeks is towards (but not yet at) the end of the second trimester, Tom. That said, the birth of these twins does raise questions about the law here in the UK.
Don’t quite see how looking at statistics necessarily constitutes a ‘rhetorical dodge’.