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		By: Don Williams		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[1) Hi -- I graduated from the University of Virginia.   The Honor Code was established there after a masked student shot and killed one of the professors in 1840.   Er..under cover of darkness.
The shooting arose out of a quarrel tied to the suppression of an armed student revolt in 1836 --by 63 members of the Student Military Company -- put down by the local state militia.
See
http://uvamagazine.org/features/article/the_evolution_of_honor/#1825
and
http://www.virginia.edu/uvatours/shorthistory/code.html
2) The students are adults and the University has no control over student quarters in the town of Charlottesville itself.   The famous Confederate guerilla leader John Mosby was expelled from the University after he shot and killed a violent local bully.   See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mosby#Early_life]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Hi &#8212; I graduated from the University of Virginia.   The Honor Code was established there after a masked student shot and killed one of the professors in 1840.   Er..under cover of darkness.<br />
The shooting arose out of a quarrel tied to the suppression of an armed student revolt in 1836 &#8211;by 63 members of the Student Military Company &#8212; put down by the local state militia.<br />
See<br />
<a href="http://uvamagazine.org/features/article/the_evolution_of_honor/#1825" rel="nofollow ugc">http://uvamagazine.org/features/article/the_evolution_of_honor/#1825</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.virginia.edu/uvatours/shorthistory/code.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.virginia.edu/uvatours/shorthistory/code.html</a><br />
2) The students are adults and the University has no control over student quarters in the town of Charlottesville itself.   The famous Confederate guerilla leader John Mosby was expelled from the University after he shot and killed a violent local bully.   See<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mosby#Early_life" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mosby#Early_life</a></p>
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		By: Don Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1) Hi -- I graduated from the University of Virginia.   The Honor Code was established there after a masked student shot and killed one of the professors in 1840.   Er..under cover of darkness.
The shooting arose out of a quarrel tied to the suppression of an armed student revolt in 1836 --by 63 members of the Student Military Company -- put down by the local state militia.
See
http://uvamagazine.org/features/article/the_evolution_of_honor/#1825
and
http://www.virginia.edu/uvatours/shorthistory/code.html
2) The students are adults and the University has no control over student quarters in the town of Charlottesville itself.   The famous Confederate guerilla leader John Mosby was expelled from the University after he shot and killed a violent local bully.   See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mosby#Early_life]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Hi &#8212; I graduated from the University of Virginia.   The Honor Code was established there after a masked student shot and killed one of the professors in 1840.   Er..under cover of darkness.<br />
The shooting arose out of a quarrel tied to the suppression of an armed student revolt in 1836 &#8211;by 63 members of the Student Military Company &#8212; put down by the local state militia.<br />
See<br />
<a href="http://uvamagazine.org/features/article/the_evolution_of_honor/#1825" rel="nofollow ugc">http://uvamagazine.org/features/article/the_evolution_of_honor/#1825</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.virginia.edu/uvatours/shorthistory/code.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.virginia.edu/uvatours/shorthistory/code.html</a><br />
2) The students are adults and the University has no control over student quarters in the town of Charlottesville itself.   The famous Confederate guerilla leader John Mosby was expelled from the University after he shot and killed a violent local bully.   See<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mosby#Early_life" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mosby#Early_life</a></p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if he knows that he is lying.  He may actually believe in his &quot;research&quot;.  Some people do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if he knows that he is lying.  He may actually believe in his &#8220;research&#8221;.  Some people do.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StraightGrandmother]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Man that Barton is such a liar isn&#039;t he!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man that Barton is such a liar isn&#8217;t he!</p>
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		By: Mary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if he knows that he is lying.  He may actually believe in his &quot;research&quot;.  Some people do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if he knows that he is lying.  He may actually believe in his &#8220;research&#8221;.  Some people do.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Man that Barton is such a liar isn&#039;t he!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man that Barton is such a liar isn&#8217;t he!</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Substitutes in the form of arms shall be provided by the proctor, at the expense of the University;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
These days they&#039;d be painted blue. That&#039;s how wooden drill rifles and other non-firing training equipment is marked in the military.
An alternative for paramilitary forces is all-red.
Here&#039;s an example of &quot;substitutes in the form of arms&quot;
http://www.legear.com.au/ASP-Red-Gun-Training-Aid-Training-Weapon-s/537.htm
&quot;The Red Gun Series is lightweight and readily distinguishable as a training weapon. In addition, the extreme detail and precision manufacture of these training devices allows their use in weapon retention and holster security drills.
All too frequently, law enforcement officers have been killed in a training environment with “unloaded&quot; firearms. Red handled weapons can be confused with live firearms when held in the hand. Aluminum castings are heavy and cannot be distinguished from stainless weapons at a distance. The Red Gun Series is lightweight and readily identified as a training weapon.
In addition, the extreme detail and precision manufacture of these training devices allows their use in weapon retention and holster security drills. The red polymer and the manner in which they are reinforced allows them to withstand the daily abuses of the training environment.&quot;
In 1824, such items as wooden blanks in the shape of muskets, wooden swords and so on would be used. Damage to such items would be easily repairable by a local carpenter - often by making a new one.
Certainly it would be both cheaper for a University, and much, much safer, to have such training substitutes instead of real firearms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Substitutes in the form of arms shall be provided by the proctor, at the expense of the University;</p></blockquote>
<p>These days they&#8217;d be painted blue. That&#8217;s how wooden drill rifles and other non-firing training equipment is marked in the military.<br />
An alternative for paramilitary forces is all-red.<br />
Here&#8217;s an example of &#8220;substitutes in the form of arms&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.legear.com.au/ASP-Red-Gun-Training-Aid-Training-Weapon-s/537.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.legear.com.au/ASP-Red-Gun-Training-Aid-Training-Weapon-s/537.htm</a><br />
&#8220;The Red Gun Series is lightweight and readily distinguishable as a training weapon. In addition, the extreme detail and precision manufacture of these training devices allows their use in weapon retention and holster security drills.<br />
All too frequently, law enforcement officers have been killed in a training environment with “unloaded&#8221; firearms. Red handled weapons can be confused with live firearms when held in the hand. Aluminum castings are heavy and cannot be distinguished from stainless weapons at a distance. The Red Gun Series is lightweight and readily identified as a training weapon.<br />
In addition, the extreme detail and precision manufacture of these training devices allows their use in weapon retention and holster security drills. The red polymer and the manner in which they are reinforced allows them to withstand the daily abuses of the training environment.&#8221;<br />
In 1824, such items as wooden blanks in the shape of muskets, wooden swords and so on would be used. Damage to such items would be easily repairable by a local carpenter &#8211; often by making a new one.<br />
Certainly it would be both cheaper for a University, and much, much safer, to have such training substitutes instead of real firearms.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Substitutes in the form of arms shall be provided by the proctor, at the expense of the University;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
These days they&#039;d be painted blue. That&#039;s how wooden drill rifles and other non-firing training equipment is marked in the military.
An alternative for paramilitary forces is all-red.
Here&#039;s an example of &quot;substitutes in the form of arms&quot;
http://www.legear.com.au/ASP-Red-Gun-Training-Aid-Training-Weapon-s/537.htm
&quot;The Red Gun Series is lightweight and readily distinguishable as a training weapon. In addition, the extreme detail and precision manufacture of these training devices allows their use in weapon retention and holster security drills.
All too frequently, law enforcement officers have been killed in a training environment with &quot;unloaded&quot; firearms. Red handled weapons can be confused with live firearms when held in the hand. Aluminum castings are heavy and cannot be distinguished from stainless weapons at a distance. The Red Gun Series is lightweight and readily identified as a training weapon.
In addition, the extreme detail and precision manufacture of these training devices allows their use in weapon retention and holster security drills. The red polymer and the manner in which they are reinforced allows them to withstand the daily abuses of the training environment.&quot;
In 1824, such items as wooden blanks in the shape of muskets, wooden swords and so on would be used. Damage to such items would be easily repairable by a local carpenter - often by making a new one.
Certainly it would be both cheaper for a University, and much, much safer, to have such training substitutes instead of real firearms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Substitutes in the form of arms shall be provided by the proctor, at the expense of the University;</p></blockquote>
<p>These days they&#8217;d be painted blue. That&#8217;s how wooden drill rifles and other non-firing training equipment is marked in the military.<br />
An alternative for paramilitary forces is all-red.<br />
Here&#8217;s an example of &#8220;substitutes in the form of arms&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.legear.com.au/ASP-Red-Gun-Training-Aid-Training-Weapon-s/537.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.legear.com.au/ASP-Red-Gun-Training-Aid-Training-Weapon-s/537.htm</a><br />
&#8220;The Red Gun Series is lightweight and readily distinguishable as a training weapon. In addition, the extreme detail and precision manufacture of these training devices allows their use in weapon retention and holster security drills.<br />
All too frequently, law enforcement officers have been killed in a training environment with &#8220;unloaded&#8221; firearms. Red handled weapons can be confused with live firearms when held in the hand. Aluminum castings are heavy and cannot be distinguished from stainless weapons at a distance. The Red Gun Series is lightweight and readily identified as a training weapon.<br />
In addition, the extreme detail and precision manufacture of these training devices allows their use in weapon retention and holster security drills. The red polymer and the manner in which they are reinforced allows them to withstand the daily abuses of the training environment.&#8221;<br />
In 1824, such items as wooden blanks in the shape of muskets, wooden swords and so on would be used. Damage to such items would be easily repairable by a local carpenter &#8211; often by making a new one.<br />
Certainly it would be both cheaper for a University, and much, much safer, to have such training substitutes instead of real firearms.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 08:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe that Jefferson also said, &quot;In these professional schools each science is to be taught in the highest degree it has yet attained.&quot;  But then look what Texas has tried to do to biology and geology.
My guess is that by substitutes is meant a fake wooden gun for drilling.  But such wooden substitutes generally did not come to be common until after the Civil War.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Jefferson also said, &#8220;In these professional schools each science is to be taught in the highest degree it has yet attained.&#8221;  But then look what Texas has tried to do to biology and geology.<br />
My guess is that by substitutes is meant a fake wooden gun for drilling.  But such wooden substitutes generally did not come to be common until after the Civil War.</p>
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		By: Tom Van Dyke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Van Dyke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 03:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I suspect what Barton is referring to is a section of the minutes of an October 24, 1824 meeting of the Visitors (trustees) of the University of Virginia &lt;/i&gt;
Very nice, Warren.  In my experience, David Barton&#039;s always got some germ of truth [or secondary-source disinformation] that he goes off and running with.  He doesn&#039;t exactly make stuff up.
Actually, I love the idea of mandatory gun [safety*] training at college campuses.  The no-booze, no-tobacco etc. rules, not so much.
_________
*Got my NRA-sponsored training and patch at Boy Scout camp at 13.  20 years later, I&#039;m teaching Mrs. TVD the gun safety that I&#039;d learned as a kid, how to hold a gun, loaded or unloaded.  Pointed to the side, toward the ground.
And damned if there wasn&#039;t a shell in the chamber of the shotgun I thought was empty.  And damned if I didn&#039;t set it off.  Blew a hole in the floor.  But not in a human being.  If we can give
http://www.mommyish.com/2013/03/01/kindergarten-sex-ed/
I reckon we can fit gun safety into the curriculum at some point, eh?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I suspect what Barton is referring to is a section of the minutes of an October 24, 1824 meeting of the Visitors (trustees) of the University of Virginia </i><br />
Very nice, Warren.  In my experience, David Barton&#8217;s always got some germ of truth [or secondary-source disinformation] that he goes off and running with.  He doesn&#8217;t exactly make stuff up.<br />
Actually, I love the idea of mandatory gun [safety*] training at college campuses.  The no-booze, no-tobacco etc. rules, not so much.<br />
_________<br />
*Got my NRA-sponsored training and patch at Boy Scout camp at 13.  20 years later, I&#8217;m teaching Mrs. TVD the gun safety that I&#8217;d learned as a kid, how to hold a gun, loaded or unloaded.  Pointed to the side, toward the ground.<br />
And damned if there wasn&#8217;t a shell in the chamber of the shotgun I thought was empty.  And damned if I didn&#8217;t set it off.  Blew a hole in the floor.  But not in a human being.  If we can give<br />
<a href="http://www.mommyish.com/2013/03/01/kindergarten-sex-ed/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.mommyish.com/2013/03/01/kindergarten-sex-ed/</a><br />
I reckon we can fit gun safety into the curriculum at some point, eh?</p>
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