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	Comments on: Thomas Jefferson on Reading the Bible in Schools	</title>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/03/04/thomas-jefferson-on-reading-the-bible-in-schools/#comment-92021&quot;&gt;Warren&lt;/a&gt;.

PS - Let me add, echoing James Madison, if my religion needs the help of the state to remain dominant, then my religion isn&#039;t very potent or valuable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/03/04/thomas-jefferson-on-reading-the-bible-in-schools/#comment-92021">Warren</a>.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Let me add, echoing James Madison, if my religion needs the help of the state to remain dominant, then my religion isn&#8217;t very potent or valuable.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/03/04/thomas-jefferson-on-reading-the-bible-in-schools/#comment-75701&quot;&gt;Patrocles&lt;/a&gt;.

He didn&#039;t say they would have to suffer, he said he had seen it in his work. However, the court did not decide the case based on Grayzel&#039;s fears. His testimony added to the idea that the Bible in and of itself is a sectarian book. I wish people could put themselves in the position of a minority for a change and see how it is to experience equal treatment under the law that isn&#039;t really equal treatment.
As a Christian, if I lived in a country that read another holy book as the truth in my school, especially one which stigmatized my beliefs, I would probably be glad for a ruling that prohibited privilege for the dominant religion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/03/04/thomas-jefferson-on-reading-the-bible-in-schools/#comment-75701">Patrocles</a>.</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t say they would have to suffer, he said he had seen it in his work. However, the court did not decide the case based on Grayzel&#8217;s fears. His testimony added to the idea that the Bible in and of itself is a sectarian book. I wish people could put themselves in the position of a minority for a change and see how it is to experience equal treatment under the law that isn&#8217;t really equal treatment.<br />
As a Christian, if I lived in a country that read another holy book as the truth in my school, especially one which stigmatized my beliefs, I would probably be glad for a ruling that prohibited privilege for the dominant religion.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Patrocles .. Your statement that &quot;Evangelicals, unhappily, weren&#039;t strong enough to build up a non-state-system of schools &#8211; with the result that Jewish mainstream activists could take their schools away to neutralize them. A sad story.&quot; would be funny if it weren&#039;t so clueless.  I have met with folks of multiple faith traditions in an organization called &quot;Interfaith Alliance&quot; and heard first hand what it is like to be Jewish in the public school system.  While I think I will skip the spin of psychologyical harm .. the Jewish folks certainly did not see their holidays honored on the school calendar or in school .. holidays such as Rosh Hoshanna,  Yom Kippur, and Hannukkah to name a few.  It was only the Christian ones that were honored.  And it was only the  Christian bible that was read.  We could go on to talk about Bacculerate .. Christmas programs .. and other things that were/are specifically Christian and not Jewish.  It makes our claims of a Judeo-Christian heritage rather hollow since Christian holidays and Christians scriptures dominated the scene.  Hearing all of this opened my eyes to the reality of what it is like to be a minority and all the things that those in the majority take for granted and/or don&#039;t even think of.
Dave]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Patrocles .. Your statement that &#8220;Evangelicals, unhappily, weren&#8217;t strong enough to build up a non-state-system of schools &#8211; with the result that Jewish mainstream activists could take their schools away to neutralize them. A sad story.&#8221; would be funny if it weren&#8217;t so clueless.  I have met with folks of multiple faith traditions in an organization called &#8220;Interfaith Alliance&#8221; and heard first hand what it is like to be Jewish in the public school system.  While I think I will skip the spin of psychologyical harm .. the Jewish folks certainly did not see their holidays honored on the school calendar or in school .. holidays such as Rosh Hoshanna,  Yom Kippur, and Hannukkah to name a few.  It was only the Christian ones that were honored.  And it was only the  Christian bible that was read.  We could go on to talk about Bacculerate .. Christmas programs .. and other things that were/are specifically Christian and not Jewish.  It makes our claims of a Judeo-Christian heritage rather hollow since Christian holidays and Christians scriptures dominated the scene.  Hearing all of this opened my eyes to the reality of what it is like to be a minority and all the things that those in the majority take for granted and/or don&#8217;t even think of.<br />
Dave</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scotty G.
&lt;blockquote&gt; I believe being in a minority can humble you, or you can rail against it and become an oppressor yourself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Going from a social position of  cisgendered male to  transsexual female was the best thing that could have happened to me, and not just for my own personal comfort.
Being demoted from 1st class citizen to 3rd class was most educational, in a moral sense. Definitely worth the 17 times increased risk of being murdered, the various legal persecutions etc.
It wasn&#039;t that I was that bad a person before. Priggish yes, but I still am. What would be called &quot;square&quot; when I was young., that hasn&#039;t changed.
My attitude towards &quot;the dregs of society&quot; has. Some of them are far better people than many in exalted social circles. All are merely human. Having shared some of  the same beliefs of those who now scorn and revile me, I can see that they&#039;re not bad people either. Misinformed, mainly, or not informed at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scotty G.</p>
<blockquote><p> I believe being in a minority can humble you, or you can rail against it and become an oppressor yourself.</p></blockquote>
<p>Going from a social position of  cisgendered male to  transsexual female was the best thing that could have happened to me, and not just for my own personal comfort.<br />
Being demoted from 1st class citizen to 3rd class was most educational, in a moral sense. Definitely worth the 17 times increased risk of being murdered, the various legal persecutions etc.<br />
It wasn&#8217;t that I was that bad a person before. Priggish yes, but I still am. What would be called &#8220;square&#8221; when I was young., that hasn&#8217;t changed.<br />
My attitude towards &#8220;the dregs of society&#8221; has. Some of them are far better people than many in exalted social circles. All are merely human. Having shared some of  the same beliefs of those who now scorn and revile me, I can see that they&#8217;re not bad people either. Misinformed, mainly, or not informed at all.</p>
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		By: Boo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom bases it on what he wants to believe. This should be screamingly obvious by now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom bases it on what he wants to believe. This should be screamingly obvious by now.</p>
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