Comments on: Point/Counterpoint with David Barton at World Magazine

By: Warren

Warren — Wed, 30 May 2018 22:08:41 +0000

In reply to Scotty G.. Scotty G - Sir, you have further unmasked me. I am undone.

By: Warren

Warren — Wed, 30 May 2018 21:13:33 +0000

In reply to dosthart. dosthart - While waiting for our response to Barton's rebuttal, I recommend you read our book since we take claim after claim and provide the evidence. It is unfortunate that Barton chose to simplify our arguments and not present them completely or fairly in his World article. People who have not read our book will not understand what he has done.

By: Tom Van Dyke

Tom Van Dyke — Wed, 30 May 2018 17:29:42 +0000

Interesting comments on this post, Warren. I don’t hold you responsible for them, exc 4 encouraging ScottyG’s. I don’t blame you for doing that either—we’re all human. But ugly attracts ugly, and then it multiplies. Ug not, lest ye be ugged. The ScottyG thing was ug.

By: David M.

David M. — Wed, 30 May 2018 17:29:42 +0000

SGM, good to see you post again here. I have little of significance to add. But for the sake of conversation, I tell my little story. Some years ago, trying to reconcile my faith and sexuality, I joined an online Courage group. I had to leave before long though, when the whole group seemed bent on declaring themselves heterosexual by default, since they (generally) weren’t having regular gay sex. I couldn’t stand the doublespeak, but suspected some in the group were trying to navigate the Vatican’s barring anyone who considered themselves as gay, even if celibate, from the priesthood. I don’t know if Courage is still claiming to be a group of heterosexuals or not.

By: ken

ken — Wed, 30 May 2018 17:29:42 +0000

I never got through the whole Barton response, but he appears to be using the same evesion/misdirection tactics he usually does. Ex: he claims your arguments about Jefferson and slavery are “minor ” points, but never addresses the fact he misquoted the law.
Then he makes a lot of claims about how you are wrong regarding the Delaware Christians and cites a lot of references, but I suspect if I bothered to followed they would show he is again mis-citing history (so I’ll leave the heavy lifting to you and Michael 🙂 )

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:04:17 +0000

As I said, Tom, your calling me (or whomever) names really didn’t worry me – so I’m puzzled by aspects of your reply above.
I think all western societies have very serious problems at the moment. The core of those problems comprises IMO rampant individualism and unsustainable levels of consumption (something which these ‘religious rightists’ never seem to talk about).

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 04:04:17 +0000

By: Tom Van Dyke

Tom Van Dyke — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 03:25:13 +0000

Mr. Willmer, I was quite having a go with the “bastards” stuff re the United Kingdom. Sorry you took it all serious-like. I did have some Burkean point in there somewhere about societies and political philosophy, because I think you’re headed for serious wreckage.
As for David Barton and gays, I’m like a million miles away from whatever that’s all about. As for ScottyG railing against Dominionists in the name of Christ, I’m not feeling it, not do I think he has a charitable understanding of what they’re about.
[I am not one, FTR.].

By: Tom Van Dyke

Tom Van Dyke — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:25:13 +0000

By: James Ferguson

James Ferguson — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:23:37 +0000

Dosthart, not irrelevant at all. Wilson’s views regarding race are well known, and his “progressivism” was largely adopted for political gain, although his administration did represent a turning point in the Democratic Party by supporting women’s suffrage. Wilson bought into the “Dunning School ” completely, and did little to promote civil rights outside women’s suffrage. This despite books at the time that countered these prevailing attitudes in “scholarship.”