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	Comments on: Matt Barber Invokes Jerry Sandusky to Mislead Public About SB 1172	</title>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 22:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/01/05/matt-barber-invokes-jerry-sandusky-to-mislead-public-about-sb-1172/#comment-93193&quot;&gt;Teresa&lt;/a&gt;.

Teresa: All I mean is that having attractions to the same sex as a teen might not mean that one is essentially gay. Bisexual is a possibility. Situational factors, especially with some women, might lead to experiences of attraction. And there is some research that indicates sexually abused straight boys can experience SSA for a time. However, this experience is relatively easy to distinguish in practice from the boy who is SSA without precursor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/01/05/matt-barber-invokes-jerry-sandusky-to-mislead-public-about-sb-1172/#comment-93193">Teresa</a>.</p>
<p>Teresa: All I mean is that having attractions to the same sex as a teen might not mean that one is essentially gay. Bisexual is a possibility. Situational factors, especially with some women, might lead to experiences of attraction. And there is some research that indicates sexually abused straight boys can experience SSA for a time. However, this experience is relatively easy to distinguish in practice from the boy who is SSA without precursor.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 22:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/01/05/matt-barber-invokes-jerry-sandusky-to-mislead-public-about-sb-1172/#comment-93225&quot;&gt;Wayne Besen&lt;/a&gt;.

Ann - I appreciate your coming to my defense. However, Wayne has taken steps to remedy things and there are no hard feelings. I can certainly understand his opposition to my work at that time given my defense of approaches that I now understand better and therefore oppose vigorously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/01/05/matt-barber-invokes-jerry-sandusky-to-mislead-public-about-sb-1172/#comment-93225">Wayne Besen</a>.</p>
<p>Ann &#8211; I appreciate your coming to my defense. However, Wayne has taken steps to remedy things and there are no hard feelings. I can certainly understand his opposition to my work at that time given my defense of approaches that I now understand better and therefore oppose vigorously.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/01/05/matt-barber-invokes-jerry-sandusky-to-mislead-public-about-sb-1172/#comment-94576</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 21:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/01/05/matt-barber-invokes-jerry-sandusky-to-mislead-public-about-sb-1172/#comment-93124&quot;&gt;Patrocles&lt;/a&gt;.

Patrocles - It is fairly easy to decide what to do. Counselors are trained to help people with trauma and the trauma comes first, before questions or issues of orientation. If a counselor is treating abuse as an instrumental means of changing orientation, then they are making a significant clinical mistake. Orientation becomes clearer without any special interventions (using oranges, etc.) as the person matures.
A real problem in this discussion is to assume that a counselor should tell teen clients what their orientation is if the client isn&#039;t sure. I suspect some counselors do this on the affirming or non-affirming sides but I believe this is not necessary. On the other hand, if the client has determined their orientation, then it is not up to a counselor to talk him out of it.
In any case, it is a false claim that the CA law prevents recovery from sexual abuse, whether the victim has SSA or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/01/05/matt-barber-invokes-jerry-sandusky-to-mislead-public-about-sb-1172/#comment-93124">Patrocles</a>.</p>
<p>Patrocles &#8211; It is fairly easy to decide what to do. Counselors are trained to help people with trauma and the trauma comes first, before questions or issues of orientation. If a counselor is treating abuse as an instrumental means of changing orientation, then they are making a significant clinical mistake. Orientation becomes clearer without any special interventions (using oranges, etc.) as the person matures.<br />
A real problem in this discussion is to assume that a counselor should tell teen clients what their orientation is if the client isn&#8217;t sure. I suspect some counselors do this on the affirming or non-affirming sides but I believe this is not necessary. On the other hand, if the client has determined their orientation, then it is not up to a counselor to talk him out of it.<br />
In any case, it is a false claim that the CA law prevents recovery from sexual abuse, whether the victim has SSA or not.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very, very nice
&quot;However, in this particular case I happened to be wrong. Over time I have come to trust Dr. Throckmorton and respect his work. Thus, I regret and feel remorse over previous campaigns against him. I am sorry for getting it wrong in this instance and in some cases being unfair. And, as soon as I recognized my error I took immediate steps to correct my actions.&quot;
Also good
&quot;I can certainly understand his opposition to my work at that time given my defense of approaches that I now understand better and therefore oppose vigorously.&quot;
What an amazing and helpful journey Warren made.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very, very nice<br />
&#8220;However, in this particular case I happened to be wrong. Over time I have come to trust Dr. Throckmorton and respect his work. Thus, I regret and feel remorse over previous campaigns against him. I am sorry for getting it wrong in this instance and in some cases being unfair. And, as soon as I recognized my error I took immediate steps to correct my actions.&#8221;<br />
Also good<br />
&#8220;I can certainly understand his opposition to my work at that time given my defense of approaches that I now understand better and therefore oppose vigorously.&#8221;<br />
What an amazing and helpful journey Warren made.</p>
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		By: Patrocles		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/01/05/matt-barber-invokes-jerry-sandusky-to-mislead-public-about-sb-1172/#comment-93328</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr. Throckmorton says:
&quot;Counselors don&#039;t tell clients what identities they should adopt.&quot;
That&#039;s a way of avoiding the problem by oversimplification.
For example, Wikipedia says that in &quot;gay affirmative therapy&quot; the therapist encourages the clients &quot;to accept their sexual orientation&quot;.
I&#039;d say that adopting a sexual identity means the same as accepting a sexual orientation. If so, the gay affirmative therapist does eventually what Dr. Throckmorton denies.
I don&#039;t say that that is untenable. He may do it on his own assumption about the gay orientation of the client; or he may do it on the client&#039;s own assumption about his gayness; and in both cases the assumption may be based on a critical examination of the real facts. I suppose that Dr. Throckmorton and I both support a critical examination of the real facts, but that&#039;s not a definite part of  the description of &quot;gay affirmative therapy&quot;.
On the other hand, what&#039;s about a therapist who (after a more or less critical examination) assumes that the client only beleives to be gay? Will he really be protected by the law, if he encourages the client NOT to accept his believed gayness?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Throckmorton says:<br />
&#8220;Counselors don&#8217;t tell clients what identities they should adopt.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s a way of avoiding the problem by oversimplification.<br />
For example, Wikipedia says that in &#8220;gay affirmative therapy&#8221; the therapist encourages the clients &#8220;to accept their sexual orientation&#8221;.<br />
I&#8217;d say that adopting a sexual identity means the same as accepting a sexual orientation. If so, the gay affirmative therapist does eventually what Dr. Throckmorton denies.<br />
I don&#8217;t say that that is untenable. He may do it on his own assumption about the gay orientation of the client; or he may do it on the client&#8217;s own assumption about his gayness; and in both cases the assumption may be based on a critical examination of the real facts. I suppose that Dr. Throckmorton and I both support a critical examination of the real facts, but that&#8217;s not a definite part of  the description of &#8220;gay affirmative therapy&#8221;.<br />
On the other hand, what&#8217;s about a therapist who (after a more or less critical examination) assumes that the client only beleives to be gay? Will he really be protected by the law, if he encourages the client NOT to accept his believed gayness?</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/01/05/matt-barber-invokes-jerry-sandusky-to-mislead-public-about-sb-1172/#comment-93327</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ David - Thanks, we need to catch up.
@ Boo - Did I mention that I am glad you are commenting again?
@ Ken, William - Yes.
@ Emily K - Adds new meaning to the question, Where does it hurt?
@ Matt B - Where&#039;d you go?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David &#8211; Thanks, we need to catch up.<br />
@ Boo &#8211; Did I mention that I am glad you are commenting again?<br />
@ Ken, William &#8211; Yes.<br />
@ Emily K &#8211; Adds new meaning to the question, Where does it hurt?<br />
@ Matt B &#8211; Where&#8217;d you go?</p>
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		By: Boo		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/01/05/matt-barber-invokes-jerry-sandusky-to-mislead-public-about-sb-1172/#comment-93326</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well you know, it&#039;s like someone can have just an average level of SSA but then Katee Sackhoff comes on the tv and the SSA just flares way up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you know, it&#8217;s like someone can have just an average level of SSA but then Katee Sackhoff comes on the tv and the SSA just flares way up.</p>
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		By: Patrocles		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought of &quot;temporary returning&quot; SSA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of &#8220;temporary returning&#8221; SSA.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[However, in this particular case I happened to be wrong. Over time I have come to trust Dr. Throckmorton and respect his work. Thus, I regret and feel remorse over previous campaigns against him. I am sorry for getting it wrong in this instance and in some cases being unfair. And, as soon as I recognized my error I took immediate steps to correct my actions.
Wayne,
I do want to thank you for this comment - I appreciate seeing this other side of you and it sure does speak well of your character.  I have never heard you say anything like this before and am glad I have now.  Thank you again]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, in this particular case I happened to be wrong. Over time I have come to trust Dr. Throckmorton and respect his work. Thus, I regret and feel remorse over previous campaigns against him. I am sorry for getting it wrong in this instance and in some cases being unfair. And, as soon as I recognized my error I took immediate steps to correct my actions.<br />
Wayne,<br />
I do want to thank you for this comment &#8211; I appreciate seeing this other side of you and it sure does speak well of your character.  I have never heard you say anything like this before and am glad I have now.  Thank you again</p>
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		By: William		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Encouraging clients to accept their sexual orientation is not the same thing as trying to decide for them what that sexual orientation is/ought to be, or telling them what identity they ought to adopt (whatever that may mean).
Can you grasp the not very subtle difference?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Encouraging clients to accept their sexual orientation is not the same thing as trying to decide for them what that sexual orientation is/ought to be, or telling them what identity they ought to adopt (whatever that may mean).<br />
Can you grasp the not very subtle difference?</p>
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