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	Comments on: NARTH, the New Epigenetic Model and Confirmation Bias	</title>
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		By: David Hart		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Hart]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Instead of testing a hypothesis they are hell bent - using selective observation - to prove a pre-ordained result. It&#039;s not science. 



The methodology depicts a quasi-therapeutic organization that is more interested in helping themselves than others. The entire culture can be defined as &quot;getting over.&quot; Critics are dismissed as &quot;homosexual advocates.&quot; Allies include people like Mat Staver who is thoroughly unqualified to make any judgment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of testing a hypothesis they are hell bent &#8211; using selective observation &#8211; to prove a pre-ordained result. It&#8217;s not science. </p>
<p>The methodology depicts a quasi-therapeutic organization that is more interested in helping themselves than others. The entire culture can be defined as &#8220;getting over.&#8221; Critics are dismissed as &#8220;homosexual advocates.&#8221; Allies include people like Mat Staver who is thoroughly unqualified to make any judgment.</p>
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		By: Jeremy Schwab		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Schwab]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren, are there any change therapies that you DO support?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren, are there any change therapies that you DO support?</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[But I can see that you see my original point, Zoe - which was addressed to Pat&#039;s &#039;concern&#039;.



(Homily mode = ON)

There is really nothing &#039;fixed&#039; in this transitory world.

(Homily mode = OFF)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I can see that you see my original point, Zoe &#8211; which was addressed to Pat&#8217;s &#8216;concern&#8217;.</p>
<p>(Homily mode = ON)</p>
<p>There is really nothing &#8216;fixed&#8217; in this transitory world.</p>
<p>(Homily mode = OFF)</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Willmer

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was using using the term &#039;sex&#039; in the sense of &#039;genotype&#039;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



(Pedant mode = ON)

Except that &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt;&#039;s not fixed at conception either. While usually a 46XY conceptus will lead to a 46XY foetus, it doesn&#039;t always.



Then there&#039;s the possible changes to genotype long after birth - the most obvious being that of bone marrow transplant recipients, whose bodies gradually become genetically identical to that of the donor, due to replacement of senescent cells by stem cells.

(Pedant mode = OFF)



&lt;blockquote&gt; Of course, I take the view that sexual identity and gender identity are much more complex matters &#8230;

Above all, I take the line that it is the humanity of a person that is key to their human identity, and not their sex / gender / sexual identity / gender identity / sexuality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As you said, bleedin&#039; obvious to me too. Not, alas, to others, who place The Law above Humanity (and get The Law wrong much more often than not too)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Willmer</p>
<blockquote><p>I was using using the term &#8216;sex&#8217; in the sense of &#8216;genotype&#8217;.</p></blockquote>
<p>(Pedant mode = ON)</p>
<p>Except that <b>that</b>&#8216;s not fixed at conception either. While usually a 46XY conceptus will lead to a 46XY foetus, it doesn&#8217;t always.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the possible changes to genotype long after birth &#8211; the most obvious being that of bone marrow transplant recipients, whose bodies gradually become genetically identical to that of the donor, due to replacement of senescent cells by stem cells.</p>
<p>(Pedant mode = OFF)</p>
<blockquote><p> Of course, I take the view that sexual identity and gender identity are much more complex matters &#8230;</p>
<p>Above all, I take the line that it is the humanity of a person that is key to their human identity, and not their sex / gender / sexual identity / gender identity / sexuality.</p></blockquote>
<p>As you said, bleedin&#8217; obvious to me too. Not, alas, to others, who place The Law above Humanity (and get The Law wrong much more often than not too)</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Zoe



I was using using the term &#039;sex&#039; in the sense of &#039;genotype&#039;.  Of course, I take the view that sexual identity and gender identity are much more complex matters ...

Above all, I take the line that it is the humanity of a person that is key to their human identity, and not their sex / gender / sexual identity / gender identity / sexuality.  Is that radical?  I don&#039;t think so - it seems bleedin&#039; obvious to me!



Happy Christmas!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Zoe</p>
<p>I was using using the term &#8216;sex&#8217; in the sense of &#8216;genotype&#8217;.  Of course, I take the view that sexual identity and gender identity are much more complex matters &#8230;</p>
<p>Above all, I take the line that it is the humanity of a person that is key to their human identity, and not their sex / gender / sexual identity / gender identity / sexuality.  Is that radical?  I don&#8217;t think so &#8211; it seems bleedin&#8217; obvious to me!</p>
<p>Happy Christmas!</p>
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