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	Comments on: Writer of Kirk Cameron&#8217;s Monumental Movie Dismisses Mental Illness as Cause of School Shooting, Blames Sin and Educational System	</title>
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		By: mom2three		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[He was in the public school system until at least 15, possibly 16, at which point his mother became very concerned and may have pulled him out. If this is true, clearly she felt that the system was not working for &quot;him.&quot;    But as I home school my 3 children and take my job very seriously, I would hate to have my freedom to do so colored by this tragedy.   Like many parents I have investigated and visited many schools.   The curriculum I have reviewed has been scoured of any Biblical reference that is positive, and good teachers are being asked to forward an agenda that runs contrary to my God and my beliefs without my consent, and indeed mock my faith.    As Christians we are to be salt and light, but I will not send my children into what I view as hostile territory for 8 hours a day as a test of their faith.  That would be foolish and selfish of me to do that without arming them with a firm foundation in the Bible.  College will give them plenty of chances to sculpt and form their own opinions, believe me.  I don&#039;t think that the main cause of this tragedy is or was the school system though.  Sandy Hook sounds like an idyllic school district compared to the ones I&#039;ve encountered.   We probably will never know what really incited Lanza to act so heinously.  The school system is not responsible for the character and actions of my children.  I am.  And I think there will be a huge movement towards school choice (and parental involvement) in the coming years.  



Most theonomists would argue that God has been systematically omitted from our society over the last 150 years with publicly funded governmental education being the primary tool used to achieve this.  That would put 1914 right there in the bracket.  I am not a theonomist however.  I would just argue that over the last 20 years the culture has become obviously hostile to my Christian &quot;lifestyle&quot; choice. :)  20 years ago the neighbors next door wouldn&#039;t have their 4 year old playing video games so violent my eyes water at the thought of it.  Now it seems to be commonplace.   Something is changing and it worries me that the church is so ambivalent about it.  I don&#039;t think Jesus would be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was in the public school system until at least 15, possibly 16, at which point his mother became very concerned and may have pulled him out. If this is true, clearly she felt that the system was not working for &#8220;him.&#8221;    But as I home school my 3 children and take my job very seriously, I would hate to have my freedom to do so colored by this tragedy.   Like many parents I have investigated and visited many schools.   The curriculum I have reviewed has been scoured of any Biblical reference that is positive, and good teachers are being asked to forward an agenda that runs contrary to my God and my beliefs without my consent, and indeed mock my faith.    As Christians we are to be salt and light, but I will not send my children into what I view as hostile territory for 8 hours a day as a test of their faith.  That would be foolish and selfish of me to do that without arming them with a firm foundation in the Bible.  College will give them plenty of chances to sculpt and form their own opinions, believe me.  I don&#8217;t think that the main cause of this tragedy is or was the school system though.  Sandy Hook sounds like an idyllic school district compared to the ones I&#8217;ve encountered.   We probably will never know what really incited Lanza to act so heinously.  The school system is not responsible for the character and actions of my children.  I am.  And I think there will be a huge movement towards school choice (and parental involvement) in the coming years.  </p>
<p>Most theonomists would argue that God has been systematically omitted from our society over the last 150 years with publicly funded governmental education being the primary tool used to achieve this.  That would put 1914 right there in the bracket.  I am not a theonomist however.  I would just argue that over the last 20 years the culture has become obviously hostile to my Christian &#8220;lifestyle&#8221; choice. 🙂  20 years ago the neighbors next door wouldn&#8217;t have their 4 year old playing video games so violent my eyes water at the thought of it.  Now it seems to be commonplace.   Something is changing and it worries me that the church is so ambivalent about it.  I don&#8217;t think Jesus would be.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apologies, I meant &#039;Friday 14 December&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies, I meant &#8216;Friday 14 December&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some brief comments ..



The wisdom of man is foolishness to God.  And when intelligence (a trait you claim to admire among certain dominionists) is used against the will of God it is not something to be admired but should be regarded as what it is .. Sinful rebellion against Christ and His commandments.  I would add that not all the lying and slandering is coming from the Christian dominionist camp.  But when intelligent and respected people fall into the trap of using carnal weapons rather than spiritual ones they present more of a danger to the way of God .. because unsuspecting people are more likely to follow them in thier folly.  If you want to see how bad it is you will need to do some research with your eyes wide open. For myself .. if I did not have a multi-decade relationship with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ .. I would have abandoned Christianity over it.  I shudder to think what effect it might have to those who are new to the faith or to those who are outside looking in.  Again .. we need to be salt and light .. if we fail at that .. all the political wins in the world will be meaningless with regards to the kingdom of God.  2000 years ago .. Christ&#039;s harshest words were to the leaders .. not the common folk.  If He were to come today I suspect we would see the same.



Blessings,



Dave]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some brief comments ..</p>
<p>The wisdom of man is foolishness to God.  And when intelligence (a trait you claim to admire among certain dominionists) is used against the will of God it is not something to be admired but should be regarded as what it is .. Sinful rebellion against Christ and His commandments.  I would add that not all the lying and slandering is coming from the Christian dominionist camp.  But when intelligent and respected people fall into the trap of using carnal weapons rather than spiritual ones they present more of a danger to the way of God .. because unsuspecting people are more likely to follow them in thier folly.  If you want to see how bad it is you will need to do some research with your eyes wide open. For myself .. if I did not have a multi-decade relationship with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ .. I would have abandoned Christianity over it.  I shudder to think what effect it might have to those who are new to the faith or to those who are outside looking in.  Again .. we need to be salt and light .. if we fail at that .. all the political wins in the world will be meaningless with regards to the kingdom of God.  2000 years ago .. Christ&#8217;s harshest words were to the leaders .. not the common folk.  If He were to come today I suspect we would see the same.</p>
<p>Blessings,</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		By: mom2three		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The reference to the broken educational system, again, is a traditional pastor&#039;s argument that because you no longer have the ten commandments, any reference to the Bible apart from myth, and any reference to Christ apart from prophet, you cannot possibly have a discussion of right and wrong.  Of course if you think the Bible is not the source of true morality, that argument falls flat.    But he is being consistent with his many many sermons on the issue.  This is not a new statement being use to &quot;hawk a product.&quot;  It&#039;s not even his product.  He just wrote a short introduction to it.   He is espousing his fearless and controversial faith as he always does.  Please argue the theology is you like, but you are off base on his intentions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reference to the broken educational system, again, is a traditional pastor&#8217;s argument that because you no longer have the ten commandments, any reference to the Bible apart from myth, and any reference to Christ apart from prophet, you cannot possibly have a discussion of right and wrong.  Of course if you think the Bible is not the source of true morality, that argument falls flat.    But he is being consistent with his many many sermons on the issue.  This is not a new statement being use to &#8220;hawk a product.&#8221;  It&#8217;s not even his product.  He just wrote a short introduction to it.   He is espousing his fearless and controversial faith as he always does.  Please argue the theology is you like, but you are off base on his intentions.</p>
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		By: inca nitta		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[inca nitta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What exactly is Dr. Foster&#039;s personal agenda: to share with the public his personal beliefs about the existense of sin and use this tragedy as evidence of it, in order to call for people to repent and turn to God?  Gees, that sounds exactly like what Jesus and apostles were doing.  



I figure that in a free democratic society, if it&#039;s okay for Dr. Throckmorton to promote his personal agenda of constant disparagement of religious conservative people and organizations whenever an opportunity arises, then it should be okay for Dr. Foster, or any other people whose beliefs and opinions Dr. T. does not like, to promote their personal agendas in public square, whatever they might be.  It&#039;s all about fairness, my friends.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly is Dr. Foster&#8217;s personal agenda: to share with the public his personal beliefs about the existense of sin and use this tragedy as evidence of it, in order to call for people to repent and turn to God?  Gees, that sounds exactly like what Jesus and apostles were doing.  </p>
<p>I figure that in a free democratic society, if it&#8217;s okay for Dr. Throckmorton to promote his personal agenda of constant disparagement of religious conservative people and organizations whenever an opportunity arises, then it should be okay for Dr. Foster, or any other people whose beliefs and opinions Dr. T. does not like, to promote their personal agendas in public square, whatever they might be.  It&#8217;s all about fairness, my friends.</p>
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