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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/12/08/sexual-identity-therapy-is-not-reparative-therapy/#comment-92350</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/12/08/sexual-identity-therapy-is-not-reparative-therapy/#comment-83876&quot;&gt;inca nitta&lt;/a&gt;.

inca nitta: If you don&#039;t see it after reading here and there, I don&#039;t think I can help you much. We have very little in common.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/12/08/sexual-identity-therapy-is-not-reparative-therapy/#comment-83876">inca nitta</a>.</p>
<p>inca nitta: If you don&#8217;t see it after reading here and there, I don&#8217;t think I can help you much. We have very little in common.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/12/08/sexual-identity-therapy-is-not-reparative-therapy/#comment-83877&quot;&gt;Ford&lt;/a&gt;.

Ford - In my role as a therapist, it is not up to me to tell my clients what the Bible teaches. They need to determine that for themselves so that their paths are authentically chosen without coercion from me. While I hold to the more traditional position, I know there are ambiguous passages and meanings in the Scripture. My approach is to follow the lead of the client when it comes to this doctrine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/12/08/sexual-identity-therapy-is-not-reparative-therapy/#comment-83877">Ford</a>.</p>
<p>Ford &#8211; In my role as a therapist, it is not up to me to tell my clients what the Bible teaches. They need to determine that for themselves so that their paths are authentically chosen without coercion from me. While I hold to the more traditional position, I know there are ambiguous passages and meanings in the Scripture. My approach is to follow the lead of the client when it comes to this doctrine.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would tend to agree that there is no clear &#039;proscribing&#039; of loving same-sex sexual relations in the Bible.  When &#039;homosexuality&#039; is (apparently) mentioned, it is usually in a rather specific context (if one looks at the main apparent reference in the NT - that in Romans 1 - the point being by made the writer is that certain beliefs, attitudes and behaviours lead to &quot;envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice&quot; [v. 29], and one must surely ask the question &quot;if a certain course of action does NOT lead to these things, is it still wrong according to that portion of scripture?&quot;).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would tend to agree that there is no clear &#8216;proscribing&#8217; of loving same-sex sexual relations in the Bible.  When &#8216;homosexuality&#8217; is (apparently) mentioned, it is usually in a rather specific context (if one looks at the main apparent reference in the NT &#8211; that in Romans 1 &#8211; the point being by made the writer is that certain beliefs, attitudes and behaviours lead to &#8220;envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice&#8221; [v. 29], and one must surely ask the question &#8220;if a certain course of action does NOT lead to these things, is it still wrong according to that portion of scripture?&#8221;).</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Warren



I personally wouldn&#039;t describe Romans (often cited as the &#039;killer passage&#039; on &#039;homosexuality&#039; in the NT) as &#039;ambiguous&#039;: to me it is very clear that it is beliefs, attitudes and behaviours that lead to &quot;envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice&quot; that are being presented as a threat to a person&#039;s soul, and not &#039;same-sex relations&#039; per se.  But that&#039;s my interpretation, of course ... and I&#039;m not infallible!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Warren</p>
<p>I personally wouldn&#8217;t describe Romans (often cited as the &#8216;killer passage&#8217; on &#8216;homosexuality&#8217; in the NT) as &#8216;ambiguous&#8217;: to me it is very clear that it is beliefs, attitudes and behaviours that lead to &#8220;envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice&#8221; that are being presented as a threat to a person&#8217;s soul, and not &#8216;same-sex relations&#8217; per se.  But that&#8217;s my interpretation, of course &#8230; and I&#8217;m not infallible!</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/12/08/sexual-identity-therapy-is-not-reparative-therapy/#comment-81239</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ford - Yes, some clients decide that their religious views incorporate gay identification and others do not. It isn&#039;t up to the therapist. Some therapists might need to refer at some point if the dissonance becomes too great but there is nothing in SIT that requires a referral.



For more, see the SITF website - www.sitframework.com.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford &#8211; Yes, some clients decide that their religious views incorporate gay identification and others do not. It isn&#8217;t up to the therapist. Some therapists might need to refer at some point if the dissonance becomes too great but there is nothing in SIT that requires a referral.</p>
<p>For more, see the SITF website &#8211; <a href="http://www.sitframework.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sitframework.com</a>.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/12/08/sexual-identity-therapy-is-not-reparative-therapy/#comment-75180</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ford wrote:



&lt;blockquote&gt; I believe that the therapist should facilitate the intentional decision making process by creating the space for a client to explore and challenge the beliefs that are causing distress.  To make an intentional decision, the client must understand why they believe as they do.  Is this decision a deeply held religious conviction resulting from a personal faith exploration?  Is this decision an attempt to appease and be accepted by family and community?  Is this decision a form of blind obedience to faith-based traditions or other people&#039;s interpretation of scripture?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



This sounds like just the kinds of discussions that take place within SIT sessions. Re-read pages 12-14 in the framework. The language there is not dramatic but the exploration we describe is in practice what you are referring to. We are very aware of differences between intrinsic and extrinsic religion. We believe clients can organize their lives how they want to but we foster value/belief clarification as an aspect of therapy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p> I believe that the therapist should facilitate the intentional decision making process by creating the space for a client to explore and challenge the beliefs that are causing distress.  To make an intentional decision, the client must understand why they believe as they do.  Is this decision a deeply held religious conviction resulting from a personal faith exploration?  Is this decision an attempt to appease and be accepted by family and community?  Is this decision a form of blind obedience to faith-based traditions or other people&#8217;s interpretation of scripture?</p></blockquote>
<p>This sounds like just the kinds of discussions that take place within SIT sessions. Re-read pages 12-14 in the framework. The language there is not dramatic but the exploration we describe is in practice what you are referring to. We are very aware of differences between intrinsic and extrinsic religion. We believe clients can organize their lives how they want to but we foster value/belief clarification as an aspect of therapy.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/12/08/sexual-identity-therapy-is-not-reparative-therapy/#comment-63124</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 03:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well Jeremy I see you have decided to be a troll.  I will not be responding to your posts any longer.  For someone who has allegedly spent a year here you show no respect for anyone .. even those who agree with a conservative position .. of which there are many here .. both gay and straight. 



Dave]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Jeremy I see you have decided to be a troll.  I will not be responding to your posts any longer.  For someone who has allegedly spent a year here you show no respect for anyone .. even those who agree with a conservative position .. of which there are many here .. both gay and straight. </p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		By: Jeremy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how this is any different than gay-affirmative therapy - except for the patronizing pat on the head. Homosexuality is a disease that destroys people&#039;s lives and yet this &quot;therapy&quot; simply encourages that false identity - while claiming to support an individual&#039;s right to still hold on to their religious views. 



Homosexuality is like Cancer. 

Reparative Therapy is like Chemotherapy (helpful, but imperfect).  

&quot;Sexual Identity Therapy&quot; is like hospice care run by Dr. Kevorkian.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how this is any different than gay-affirmative therapy &#8211; except for the patronizing pat on the head. Homosexuality is a disease that destroys people&#8217;s lives and yet this &#8220;therapy&#8221; simply encourages that false identity &#8211; while claiming to support an individual&#8217;s right to still hold on to their religious views. </p>
<p>Homosexuality is like Cancer. </p>
<p>Reparative Therapy is like Chemotherapy (helpful, but imperfect).  </p>
<p>&#8220;Sexual Identity Therapy&#8221; is like hospice care run by Dr. Kevorkian.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well Jeremy I see you have decided to be a troll.  I will not be responding to your posts any longer.  For someone who has allegedly spent a year here you show no respect for anyone .. even those who agree with a conservative position .. of which there are many here .. both gay and straight. 



Dave]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Jeremy I see you have decided to be a troll.  I will not be responding to your posts any longer.  For someone who has allegedly spent a year here you show no respect for anyone .. even those who agree with a conservative position .. of which there are many here .. both gay and straight. </p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		By: Jeremy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how this is any different than gay-affirmative therapy - except for the patronizing pat on the head. Homosexuality is a disease that destroys people&#039;s lives and yet this &quot;therapy&quot; simply encourages that false identity - while claiming to support an individual&#039;s right to still hold on to their religious views. 



Homosexuality is like Cancer. 

Reparative Therapy is like Chemotherapy (helpful, but imperfect).  

&quot;Sexual Identity Therapy&quot; is like hospice care run by Dr. Kevorkian.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how this is any different than gay-affirmative therapy &#8211; except for the patronizing pat on the head. Homosexuality is a disease that destroys people&#8217;s lives and yet this &#8220;therapy&#8221; simply encourages that false identity &#8211; while claiming to support an individual&#8217;s right to still hold on to their religious views. </p>
<p>Homosexuality is like Cancer. </p>
<p>Reparative Therapy is like Chemotherapy (helpful, but imperfect).  </p>
<p>&#8220;Sexual Identity Therapy&#8221; is like hospice care run by Dr. Kevorkian.</p>
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