Comments on: Bryan Fischer finds a gay he can like

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:43:23 +0000

@ Warren

Might it worth getting Hari to comment on Fischer’s declared ‘support’ for him?

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:42:17 +0000

@ Dan

I believe that Fischer is, for his own ends, actually wilfully misunderstanding Hari’s thesis. Like you, I’m convinced that Hari’s ‘historical analysis’ is, to put it mildly, seriously defective, but Hari is not, in my view, ultimately presenting the idea that ‘homosexuality’ leads to fascism (an idea so beloved by the Fischers and Livelys of this world) – rather he is warning gay people who might, for whatever reason, be tempted by fascist ideas to avoid them. That much I can agree with.

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:43:23 +0000

@ Warren

Might it worth getting Hari to comment on Fischer’s declared ‘support’ for him?

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:42:17 +0000

@ Dan

By: Dan

Dan — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:13:43 +0000

There are fascist and quasi-fascist movements all across Europe (Romania, Russia, Ukraine, Hungary, Serbia, Italy, France) and in the US (American Nazi Party, KKK) and not only are gays not “at the heart” of any of these movements, there is no involvement by gays them whatsoever. Fascism in these countries is an all-straight affair. Thus, using Har/Fischer logic, straight people must be inherently inclined toward fascism.

Only by ignoring all of these movements and then falsely labeling gay non-fascists as fascists (e.g., Pim Fortuyn) can the discredited, plagiarist and fabulist Johann Hari make his case. Small wonder that he has been approvingly cited on Scott Lively’s blog for some years.

The truth is that gay political views are reasonably well known through national and local polling. Most are center-left, a decent minority are libertarian right. A tiny fraction are far left. And a small fraction of one percent might be found on the far right.

By: Dan

Dan — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:13:43 +0000

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:00:13 +0000

And it only took Fischer four years to find the article.

And as far as Hari’s personal credibility, he and Fischer have a great deal in common: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-a-personal-apology-2354679.html

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:00:13 +0000

And it only took Fischer four years to find the article.

And as far as Hari’s personal credibility, he and Fischer have a great deal in common: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-a-personal-apology-2354679.html

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:14:34 +0000

Seriously – reflecting on Hari’s article: I think that the real purpose of the article (it’s ‘lack of precision’ and other foibles notwithstanding) may be vested in the challenge contained in the last sentence: “Do some gay people really still need to learn that fascists will not bring on a Fabulous Solution for gay people, but a Final Solution for us all?” (Is Hari effectively asking gay people who are, for whatever reason, e.g. ‘islamophobia’, drawn to the politics of the extreme right to think again, and change their view.)

If this is so, then Fischer has failed to spot that Hari’s purpose is actually in direct opposition to key aspects of his (Fischer’s) agenda.

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:14:34 +0000

If this is so, then Fischer has failed to spot that Hari’s purpose is actually in direct opposition to key aspects of his (Fischer’s) agenda.