Ericlaire – You can stretch words if you want to but it doesn’t change the fact that Barton was wrong when he said Congress printed the Bible and funded it for use in schools. This was the point of the post. Barton could easily have disclosed the facts as I did in the post and let people draw their own conclusions. However, instead he changed the historical narrative.

T.A. – What is your point?

The Truth (ironic) – The first two quotes are spurious.

M Hay: Doesn’t it bother you a little bit that Mr. Barton consistently misrepresents facts that are so easy to get right?

The following are but a few quotes from the above decided case.

Church of The Holy Trinity Vs. United States ..The case involved the hiring of a Christian minister. Someone challenged the fact. The court Thought it was ludicrous, absolutely absurd that anyone would challenge this. The court found in 87 (eighty Seven) different instance’s and went on to cite and saying they could find much more.

” OUR LAWS, and our institutions, must necessarily be based on, and must include, The teachings of the Redeemer of Mankind.

The court went on to say : It is impossible for it to be otherwise. In this case, and to this extent, our civilization and our institutions, are emphatically Christian. (465/ Last Paragraph “But beyond all these matters no purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, State or Nation, because this is a religious people.”)

They went on to say “From the discovery of this Continent (United States) to this present hour 1892– There is a single Voice everywhere making the same affirmation. We find everywhere a clear recognition of this true.(465 /last paragraph, page 230 )

The Court used Columbus’s own book of prophecies which explained to Ferdinand & Isaballa why he was doing this.

“It was the lord who put it into my mind. I could feel his hand upon me. All who heard of my project rejected it with laughter, ridiculing me. But there is No question that the inspiration is from the Holy Spirit. The fact that the gospel must still be preached to so many lands in such a short time, this is what convinces me. No one should fear to undertake a task in the name of our Savior if it is just and the intention is purely for his service.” (465 /last paragraph, page 230 )

The Court than cited: The 1606 Virginia colony Land Charter.. which say’s “We want the land to produce a colony and propagating the Christian Religion and the true knowledge and worship of GOD.”

(466 /last paragraph, page 230 ).

Editor’s note where does the phrase separation of Church & State appear in the constitution?

No where! The phrase comes from A private letter written by Thomas Jefferson (1802) 11 years after the 1st amendment (1776) was written. A letter written by the Danbury Baptist of Danbury Connecticut in response to a rumor that the Congregational Denomination was to be made the National Denomination. Because of this they fired off a letter to the President Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson got their letter with their concern’s and he wrote back to them January 1, 1802. He told them that they did not have to worry because the 1st amendment has erected A WALL OF SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE… He went on to say they would never need to fear the establishment of a single denomination. He said on the other hand you never have to fear that wall would remove Christian principals. He very clearly explains that the wall of separation was a one directional wall. It keep the government from running the Church but it never separated Christian principals from the Government.

It (Jefferson’s letter) was not resurrected again until by the Supreme Court 1878 Reynolds Vs. UNITED STATES. There was a religious challenge by a group who were advocating Bigamy & Polygamy. They filed suit saying our religion says we can practice Bigamy & Polygamy. Citing the 1st amendment freedom to excise of religion. [2] They said Jefferson said there is A WALL OF SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE. The Court went back and printed the Jefferson letter in full. The court said they were right about the government is not to get involved in the church. But Jefferson said Christian principal’s were not to be separated. Bigamy & Polygamy are not Christian practice’s. Therefore it (Bigamy & Polygamy) is not protected by the 1st amendment. The court used Jefferson’s letter for the next [3] decade’s. This is where separation of church & state comes from.

The next time Jefferson letter appears in the Supreme Court is EVERSON Vs. BOARD OF EDUCATION OF EWING TP., 330 U.S. 1 (1947). The court finds “The 1st amendment has erected A WALL BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE. That wall must be kept high and impregnable we would not approve the slightest breech.” The court used only the 8 words, not the full letter as they did for the previous three decades.

The Court cited: A case from 1799 (Runkel v. Winemiller, 4 Harris & McHenry 288), “By our form of government, The Christian Religion is the established religion; but all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty. ( this court was filled with people who wrote / drafted the Constitution; Bill of Rights & the Declaration of Independence. ) The decision in this court case informs us of the intentions of our founding fathers on the 1st amendment; in brief our founding fathers established that Christian principles were to be practiced & instituted in government, but No one denomination could have total say or total rule in government..

[ Catholic , Methodist etc. Christian principles yes, One denomination NO! ]

The Court cited: Northwest Ordinance Article [3] ( The procedure to become a STATE ) ” No new territory could come into the United States unless the School’s in that territory were teaching Religion and morality as well as knowledge. (passed in the house on JULY 17, 1789.. SENATE on AUGUST 4, 1789.. signed by GEORGE WASHINGTON INTO LAW AUGUST 7, 1789) (469/ Last paragraph / page 231)

Editor’s note. First Amendment was framed / deliberated from JUNE 7 to SEPT. 25, 1789 which proves the founding fathers wanted religion & morality taught in school.

“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” George Washington

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

“The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.” John Quincy Adams

“The United States of America were no longer Colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians.” – John Quincy Adams

“The United States A Christian Nation.”

You will find statements to the effect that the United States is a Christian Nation in the following opinions of the U.S. Supreme Court

Church of the Holy Trinity v. U. S., 143 U.S. 457 @ 471 (1892),

Zorach v. Clauson , ……………………. 343 U.S. 307 @ 313 (1952);

Mc Gowan v. Maryland , ………………..366 U.S. 420 @ 561 (1961).

Arkansas Supreme Court 1905, was quoted by U.S. Supreme court justice David J. Brewer in his Lecture, entitled, “The United States A Christian Nation.” The opinion they rendered in the case of Shover v. The State, 10 English, 263, included: “This system of Religion (Christianity) is recognized as constituting a part and parcel of the common law.89 ”

Please note that Thomas Jefferson was either the first school teacher & or one of the first group in the Washington D.C. School District & used “Public Funds” to order book(s), guest which book he ordered first…… “THE BIBLE”

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Additional from United States Supreme Court 1892, Church of The Holy Trinity Vs. United States, 143 U.S. 465.

The Court cited: The Educational System..The First Public School law was passed in 1642 in Massachusetts; then 5 years later repassed again in Massachusetts and Connecticut. This law was called “THE OLD DeLUDER SATAN ACT.” That law very simply said : “It being the one chief project of that OLD DeLUDER SATAN to keep men from the knowledge of the scripture’s as he has in former times.” The law also said that when a community got 50 family’s into a community they would get a teacher; when the community got up to 100 family’s they would get a grammar school so they can be fitted for the University.

The Court cited : The Requirements to Harvard University “We want every student to be plainly instructed and consider well that the main end of your Life and Studies is to know GOD and JESUS Christ and therefore to lay Christ in the bottom as the Foundation of all sound knowledge and Learning. Everyone shall so exercise himself in reading the Scriptures twice a day… That he shall be ready to give an account of his proficiency therein. (another requirement) In seeing the LORD only gives wisdom. Let everyone seriously sit by himself for pray.”

The Court cited: Yale University ( founded in 1701 ) Seeing GOD is the giver of all wisdom, every scholar besides private or secret prayer… Shall be present morning and evening at public prayer.

The Court cited: Princeton University ( founded in 1746 ) The Founding statement: “Cursed be all learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ ”

The founder / President of Princeton, John Widerspoon, a signer of the Declaration of Independence writing’s from 1803.. How to tell a good Patriot. [1] That he is the best friend to American Liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled Religion, [2] And who lets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down profanity and immorality of every kind. [3] Whoever is an avowed enemy to GOD, I hesitate not to call him an enemy to his country. ( Why these [3] ? Because if you have profane & immoral people you will have a profane & immoral Government. History shows this to be true.)

Princeton University had a significant impact on the establishment of America as a nation. Out of 200 Founding Fathers nearly 1/3 came out of Princeton.

I’d love to see the livid reactions of the re-interpreters today if Congress dared to publicly go on record to recommend a printing of the Bible… whether they funded it or no! Wouldn’t that violate the “establishment clause”? The current interpretation, perhaps it would. That Congress didn’t appear to see a problem with it, however.

Dave