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		By: Krista Vessell		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Exactly, TxHistoryProf!  And anyone who DOES point out any faults that the founding fathers had, Barton accuses of engaging in &quot;deconstructionism.&quot;  It&#039;s insane, and Barton needs to be stopped.  I pray that his book being unraveled for the shoddy, inaccurate piece of propaganda that it is is only the beginning.  People are being brainwashed by him, and his &quot;ministry&quot; is turning into a cult.  It&#039;s very scary, especially when you talk to his &quot;followers.&quot;  They are so brainwashed that they are beyond being able to be reasoned with.  These are the kind of people who do wacky, violent things in the name of God.  I pray it never gets to that point.  But the fact that Barton and his crew are so politically active, I&#039;m afraid the division will just grow deeper and deeper...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, TxHistoryProf!  And anyone who DOES point out any faults that the founding fathers had, Barton accuses of engaging in &#8220;deconstructionism.&#8221;  It&#8217;s insane, and Barton needs to be stopped.  I pray that his book being unraveled for the shoddy, inaccurate piece of propaganda that it is is only the beginning.  People are being brainwashed by him, and his &#8220;ministry&#8221; is turning into a cult.  It&#8217;s very scary, especially when you talk to his &#8220;followers.&#8221;  They are so brainwashed that they are beyond being able to be reasoned with.  These are the kind of people who do wacky, violent things in the name of God.  I pray it never gets to that point.  But the fact that Barton and his crew are so politically active, I&#8217;m afraid the division will just grow deeper and deeper&#8230;</p>
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		By: Krista Vessell		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh my gosh...had no idea this conversation I&#039;m having would turn into an argument in which the other person is trying to DEFEND Jefferson&#039;s statements!  In his own words regarding what Jefferson wrote about blacks in &quot;Notes on the State of Virginia&quot;: &quot;All of those observations, both good and bad, are not sentiments; they are universal truths, most of which are still self-evident today!&quot;



*Facepalm*!!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh&#8230;had no idea this conversation I&#8217;m having would turn into an argument in which the other person is trying to DEFEND Jefferson&#8217;s statements!  In his own words regarding what Jefferson wrote about blacks in &#8220;Notes on the State of Virginia&#8221;: &#8220;All of those observations, both good and bad, are not sentiments; they are universal truths, most of which are still self-evident today!&#8221;</p>
<p>*Facepalm*!!!!!!</p>
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		By: Krista Vessell		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just got done citing Jefferson&#039;s letter to Albert Gallatin, Dec. 26, 1820, &quot;Notes on the State of Virginia,&quot; and Jefferson&#039;s Autobiography in response to someone claiming Jefferson did not believe the two races couldn&#039;t reside under the same government, didn&#039;t have racist sentiments that were exclusive to the black race (Jefferson&#039;s describing how blacks are more attracted to whites than their own people by comparing orangutans being more sexually attracted to black women than females of their own species was an eye-opener!), and only advocated deportation because emancipation without it would be unfair to a race of people who were &quot;conditionally incapable&quot; due to being enslaved by whites.  You know, research takes work, but when you find the truth, it&#039;s so much more fulfilling to be able to make statements that are based on actual fact than just your own personal opinions...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got done citing Jefferson&#8217;s letter to Albert Gallatin, Dec. 26, 1820, &#8220;Notes on the State of Virginia,&#8221; and Jefferson&#8217;s Autobiography in response to someone claiming Jefferson did not believe the two races couldn&#8217;t reside under the same government, didn&#8217;t have racist sentiments that were exclusive to the black race (Jefferson&#8217;s describing how blacks are more attracted to whites than their own people by comparing orangutans being more sexually attracted to black women than females of their own species was an eye-opener!), and only advocated deportation because emancipation without it would be unfair to a race of people who were &#8220;conditionally incapable&#8221; due to being enslaved by whites.  You know, research takes work, but when you find the truth, it&#8217;s so much more fulfilling to be able to make statements that are based on actual fact than just your own personal opinions&#8230;</p>
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		By: Krista Vessell		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is anyone familiar with Tadeusz Ko?ciuszko and the account of his will reading:



Thaddeus KOSCIUSZKO, will, dated 5 May 1798, presented 12 May 1819 



&quot;I Thaddeus Kosciuszko being of just in my departure from America do 

hereby declare and direct that should I make no other Testamentary disposition 

of my property in the United States, I hereby authorize my friend Thomas 

Jefferson to employ the whole thereof in purchasing Negroes from among his 

own or any others and giving them Liberty in my name, in giving them 

in [sic] education in trades or otherwise and in having them instructed for 

their new condition in the duties of morality which may make them 

good neighbours good fathers or moders, husbands or vives [sic] and in their 

duties as citizens, teaching them to be defenders of their Liberty and Country 

and of the good order of society, and in whatsoever may make them happy 

and useful, and I the said Thomas Jefferson my executor of this 

5th day of May 1798                     T.Kosciuszko&quot; 



At a Circuit Court held for Albemarle County the 12th day of May 1819 

                  This Instrument of writing purporting to be the last 

will and Testament of Thaddeus Kosciuszko deceased was produced into 

Court &#038; satisfactory proof being produced of its being written entirely in 

the hand writing of the said Thaddeus Kosciuszko the same is ordered, and 

thereupon Thomas Jefferson the executor therein named refuses to take upon 

himself the burthen of the execution of the said Will 

                                                  Teste. 

                                                       John Carr  C.C.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone familiar with Tadeusz Ko?ciuszko and the account of his will reading:</p>
<p>Thaddeus KOSCIUSZKO, will, dated 5 May 1798, presented 12 May 1819 </p>
<p>&#8220;I Thaddeus Kosciuszko being of just in my departure from America do </p>
<p>hereby declare and direct that should I make no other Testamentary disposition </p>
<p>of my property in the United States, I hereby authorize my friend Thomas </p>
<p>Jefferson to employ the whole thereof in purchasing Negroes from among his </p>
<p>own or any others and giving them Liberty in my name, in giving them </p>
<p>in [sic] education in trades or otherwise and in having them instructed for </p>
<p>their new condition in the duties of morality which may make them </p>
<p>good neighbours good fathers or moders, husbands or vives [sic] and in their </p>
<p>duties as citizens, teaching them to be defenders of their Liberty and Country </p>
<p>and of the good order of society, and in whatsoever may make them happy </p>
<p>and useful, and I the said Thomas Jefferson my executor of this </p>
<p>5th day of May 1798                     T.Kosciuszko&#8221; </p>
<p>At a Circuit Court held for Albemarle County the 12th day of May 1819 </p>
<p>                  This Instrument of writing purporting to be the last </p>
<p>will and Testament of Thaddeus Kosciuszko deceased was produced into </p>
<p>Court &#038; satisfactory proof being produced of its being written entirely in </p>
<p>the hand writing of the said Thaddeus Kosciuszko the same is ordered, and </p>
<p>thereupon Thomas Jefferson the executor therein named refuses to take upon </p>
<p>himself the burthen of the execution of the said Will </p>
<p>                                                  Teste. </p>
<p>                                                       John Carr  C.C.</p>
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		By: TexasHistorian		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great work Krista! Pulitzer Prize winning historian Jack Rakove&#039;s cites the same information about Jefferson from his Notes on the Stare if Virginia in his book &quot;Revolutionaries&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work Krista! Pulitzer Prize winning historian Jack Rakove&#8217;s cites the same information about Jefferson from his Notes on the Stare if Virginia in his book &#8220;Revolutionaries&#8221;</p>
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		By: Krista Vessell		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave, there&#039;s no question about Jefferson&#039;s role in laying the stepping stones to civil rights.  And yes, we definitely have to keep it in perspective with regards to the beliefs back in his time.  But what I noticed, and this is what got me wondering about his personal beliefs, is that in his response to Edward Coles&#039; letter, he actually seemed to be advising Coles NOT to free his own slaves.  So I was wondering, why would he advise a friend who had the means and conviction to not only free his slaves, but provide them with resources for their new free life (including land and steady employment), AGAINST freeing them?  That&#039;s when I came across the multiple times Jefferson shared his opinion on deportation.  And through that, I came across what he wrote in &quot;Notes on the State of Virginia.&quot;

I think the problem comes with the modern connotation of the word &quot;racist.&quot;  People seem to think &quot;racist&quot; means &quot;black hater.&quot;  It actually defines a person who believe in race being the determining factor that produces qualities inferior or superior to other races.  Jefferson obviously did not HATE blacks, but he did seem to believe, based on what he wrote, that the black race WAS inferior to the white.  So by the actual definition of the word, he can be called a &quot;racist.&quot;

But the main point of my research was to try to understand why 

1) He advised Coles not to free his slaves

2) He didn&#039;t free his own (aside from, what was it, 2 or 3?)

3) He didn&#039;t fulfill the obligations of Kosciusko&#039;s will

The conclusion I came to was that he didn&#039;t really want &quot;free blacks&quot; living in the United States.  If there wasn&#039;t a feasible way to deport free blacks, than he seemed reluctant to just start setting them free.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, there&#8217;s no question about Jefferson&#8217;s role in laying the stepping stones to civil rights.  And yes, we definitely have to keep it in perspective with regards to the beliefs back in his time.  But what I noticed, and this is what got me wondering about his personal beliefs, is that in his response to Edward Coles&#8217; letter, he actually seemed to be advising Coles NOT to free his own slaves.  So I was wondering, why would he advise a friend who had the means and conviction to not only free his slaves, but provide them with resources for their new free life (including land and steady employment), AGAINST freeing them?  That&#8217;s when I came across the multiple times Jefferson shared his opinion on deportation.  And through that, I came across what he wrote in &#8220;Notes on the State of Virginia.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the problem comes with the modern connotation of the word &#8220;racist.&#8221;  People seem to think &#8220;racist&#8221; means &#8220;black hater.&#8221;  It actually defines a person who believe in race being the determining factor that produces qualities inferior or superior to other races.  Jefferson obviously did not HATE blacks, but he did seem to believe, based on what he wrote, that the black race WAS inferior to the white.  So by the actual definition of the word, he can be called a &#8220;racist.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the main point of my research was to try to understand why </p>
<p>1) He advised Coles not to free his slaves</p>
<p>2) He didn&#8217;t free his own (aside from, what was it, 2 or 3?)</p>
<p>3) He didn&#8217;t fulfill the obligations of Kosciusko&#8217;s will</p>
<p>The conclusion I came to was that he didn&#8217;t really want &#8220;free blacks&#8221; living in the United States.  If there wasn&#8217;t a feasible way to deport free blacks, than he seemed reluctant to just start setting them free.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Krista,



What did he mean?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krista,</p>
<p>What did he mean?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[That wackiness is what scares me too. Hopefully the Glenn Beck version will e debunked as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That wackiness is what scares me too. Hopefully the Glenn Beck version will e debunked as well.</p>
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		By: Krista Vessell		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Exactly, TxHistoryProf!  And anyone who DOES point out any faults that the founding fathers had, Barton accuses of engaging in &quot;deconstructionism.&quot;  It&#039;s insane, and Barton needs to be stopped.  I pray that his book being unraveled for the shoddy, inaccurate piece of propaganda that it is is only the beginning.  People are being brainwashed by him, and his &quot;ministry&quot; is turning into a cult.  It&#039;s very scary, especially when you talk to his &quot;followers.&quot;  They are so brainwashed that they are beyond being able to be reasoned with.  These are the kind of people who do wacky, violent things in the name of God.  I pray it never gets to that point.  But the fact that Barton and his crew are so politically active, I&#039;m afraid the division will just grow deeper and deeper...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, TxHistoryProf!  And anyone who DOES point out any faults that the founding fathers had, Barton accuses of engaging in &#8220;deconstructionism.&#8221;  It&#8217;s insane, and Barton needs to be stopped.  I pray that his book being unraveled for the shoddy, inaccurate piece of propaganda that it is is only the beginning.  People are being brainwashed by him, and his &#8220;ministry&#8221; is turning into a cult.  It&#8217;s very scary, especially when you talk to his &#8220;followers.&#8221;  They are so brainwashed that they are beyond being able to be reasoned with.  These are the kind of people who do wacky, violent things in the name of God.  I pray it never gets to that point.  But the fact that Barton and his crew are so politically active, I&#8217;m afraid the division will just grow deeper and deeper&#8230;</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Krista,



Jefferson felt superior as a white male to African-Americans. Merriam-Webster defines that as racism. Regardless of the times they knew it was wrong to feel superior to anyone. Jefferson made it explicitly clear in the Cole letter and &quot;Notes on Virginia&quot; that African-Americans should be free but not in America with whites. Barton ignores this fact. In order to understand history makers we must understand their faults as well as their  extraordinary characteristics that made them rise above their peers. Overall, Jefferson did take the first step towards civil rights by writing &quot;...all men are created equal...&quot; but more so when he wrote &quot;...among these are life,liberty and the pursuit of HAPPINESS...&quot; instead of property as was initially suggested to leave the door open for future equality measures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krista,</p>
<p>Jefferson felt superior as a white male to African-Americans. Merriam-Webster defines that as racism. Regardless of the times they knew it was wrong to feel superior to anyone. Jefferson made it explicitly clear in the Cole letter and &#8220;Notes on Virginia&#8221; that African-Americans should be free but not in America with whites. Barton ignores this fact. In order to understand history makers we must understand their faults as well as their  extraordinary characteristics that made them rise above their peers. Overall, Jefferson did take the first step towards civil rights by writing &#8220;&#8230;all men are created equal&#8230;&#8221; but more so when he wrote &#8220;&#8230;among these are life,liberty and the pursuit of HAPPINESS&#8230;&#8221; instead of property as was initially suggested to leave the door open for future equality measures.</p>
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