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	Comments on: Breakpoint: David Barton Gave Us What We Wanted	</title>
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		By: Andrew Zook		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Zook]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[May I quote you guys, Tracy and Krista?  You have so nailed the disease that plagues a large portion of the evangelical church...a nationalistic religion that is Christ-less... and greatly deceived.  God have mercy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I quote you guys, Tracy and Krista?  You have so nailed the disease that plagues a large portion of the evangelical church&#8230;a nationalistic religion that is Christ-less&#8230; and greatly deceived.  God have mercy.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[What Dan said. 



It also has taught me to raise my own game.



One of the reasons I hang out here is to ensure my own comfortable beliefs are challenged.  I&#039;d rather be corrected than win an argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Dan said. </p>
<p>It also has taught me to raise my own game.</p>
<p>One of the reasons I hang out here is to ensure my own comfortable beliefs are challenged.  I&#8217;d rather be corrected than win an argument.</p>
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		By: Blake		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blake]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; Are we all susceptible to believing things which affirm our worldview &lt;/blockquote&gt; 



YES. You have to question your assumptions. And then step back and question your new assumptions again. The trick is to accept nothing as simple. If you begin with a presumption of complexity you&#039;ll be more likely to see the realities. And even then, you have to accept that you&#039;re only seeing a part of the reality as filtered to you and as perceived by you. 



As someone who comments on and follows the culture wars closely I can tell you it happens as much on one side as on the other. People are a lot like lemmings. They run and run and run on what they think is solid ground and by the time they figure out that they&#039;re actually falling off a cliff it&#039;s too late to do anything about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Are we all susceptible to believing things which affirm our worldview </p></blockquote>
<p>YES. You have to question your assumptions. And then step back and question your new assumptions again. The trick is to accept nothing as simple. If you begin with a presumption of complexity you&#8217;ll be more likely to see the realities. And even then, you have to accept that you&#8217;re only seeing a part of the reality as filtered to you and as perceived by you. </p>
<p>As someone who comments on and follows the culture wars closely I can tell you it happens as much on one side as on the other. People are a lot like lemmings. They run and run and run on what they think is solid ground and by the time they figure out that they&#8217;re actually falling off a cliff it&#8217;s too late to do anything about it.</p>
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		By: Krista Vessell		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/08/22/breakpoint-david-barton-gave-us-what-we-wanted/#comment-94508</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Krista Vessell]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sure, Andrew.  As long as you don&#039;t take anything I said out of context.  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, Andrew.  As long as you don&#8217;t take anything I said out of context.  😉</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[By &#039;engaging in sincere introspection and honest analysis&#039;, Breakpoint is IMHO being ... well, Christian.  No serious Christian can afford not to engage in regular and rigorous examination of conscience; the same might be said for anyone who strives to take their seriously own humanity.



Of course, we all can use facts in a way that &#039;affirms our world view&#039;, and often do (and, as Zoe suggests, must constantly evaluate our behaviour in this regard and modify it as required).  The issue with Barton &#038; Co. is perhaps that they are not actually using facts at all, but rather departing from them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8216;engaging in sincere introspection and honest analysis&#8217;, Breakpoint is IMHO being &#8230; well, Christian.  No serious Christian can afford not to engage in regular and rigorous examination of conscience; the same might be said for anyone who strives to take their seriously own humanity.</p>
<p>Of course, we all can use facts in a way that &#8216;affirms our world view&#8217;, and often do (and, as Zoe suggests, must constantly evaluate our behaviour in this regard and modify it as required).  The issue with Barton &#038; Co. is perhaps that they are not actually using facts at all, but rather departing from them.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/08/22/breakpoint-david-barton-gave-us-what-we-wanted/#comment-82195</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Are we all susceptible to believing things which affirm our worldview, especially when it&#039;s a matter that is beyond our area of expertise? &lt;/blockquote&gt;



Is the Pope German?



Yes, of course we are. Atheists like myself too. It&#039;s something every intellectually honest person must guard against, and something that I think everyone fails at sometimes too. You just have to re-check, and if need be, correct and apologise.



For matters within our expertise, we&#039;re generally on safer ground. We have the habit ingrained of doubting the most convenient  story, of testing it and assuming it&#039;s guilty until proven innocent. Otherwise we wouldn&#039;t have expertise in it, would we? Even then, &quot;safer&quot; doesn&#039;t mean &quot;safe&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are we all susceptible to believing things which affirm our worldview, especially when it&#8217;s a matter that is beyond our area of expertise? </p></blockquote>
<p>Is the Pope German?</p>
<p>Yes, of course we are. Atheists like myself too. It&#8217;s something every intellectually honest person must guard against, and something that I think everyone fails at sometimes too. You just have to re-check, and if need be, correct and apologise.</p>
<p>For matters within our expertise, we&#8217;re generally on safer ground. We have the habit ingrained of doubting the most convenient  story, of testing it and assuming it&#8217;s guilty until proven innocent. Otherwise we wouldn&#8217;t have expertise in it, would we? Even then, &#8220;safer&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;safe&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Bernie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernie]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no greater strength in this world or in Heaven, as the truth. It appears as if the wall that Barton has built, is being slowly taken down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no greater strength in this world or in Heaven, as the truth. It appears as if the wall that Barton has built, is being slowly taken down.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 17:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &#039;culture wars&#039;, coupled with the &#039;soundbite&#039; syndrome, are producing a dangerous &#039;bipolarity&#039; in society.



The dangers of &#039;relativism&#039; (by which I mean taking something relative and proximate and proclaiming it to be an &#039;absolute&#039;) are very real and very present.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;culture wars&#8217;, coupled with the &#8216;soundbite&#8217; syndrome, are producing a dangerous &#8216;bipolarity&#8217; in society.</p>
<p>The dangers of &#8216;relativism&#8217; (by which I mean taking something relative and proximate and proclaiming it to be an &#8216;absolute&#8217;) are very real and very present.</p>
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		By: Vicki Iseminger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vicki Iseminger]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know you&#039;re not looking for this, but I just want to say Congratulations Dr. Throckmorton! Your hard work has paid off in getting to the truth of the matter regarding David Barton&#039;s claims, and getting that information out to the public. We&#039;re thankful for folks willing to challenge what is presented/published when it is inconsistant with the facts. We are sometimes so much like sheep following what we hear, believing w/o questioning, especially when it suits us. Thanks for challenging us to think, research, question what we hear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you&#8217;re not looking for this, but I just want to say Congratulations Dr. Throckmorton! Your hard work has paid off in getting to the truth of the matter regarding David Barton&#8217;s claims, and getting that information out to the public. We&#8217;re thankful for folks willing to challenge what is presented/published when it is inconsistant with the facts. We are sometimes so much like sheep following what we hear, believing w/o questioning, especially when it suits us. Thanks for challenging us to think, research, question what we hear.</p>
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		By: Krista Vessell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Krista Vessell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 01:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sure, Andrew.  As long as you don&#039;t take anything I said out of context.  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, Andrew.  As long as you don&#8217;t take anything I said out of context.  😉</p>
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