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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/08/16/correcting-scott-livelys-conspiracy-theory/#comment-84609</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/08/16/correcting-scott-livelys-conspiracy-theory/#comment-72981&quot;&gt;Krista Vessell&lt;/a&gt;.

Krista - Yes, I have similar experience. Actually, if anyone&#039;s name is being dragged through the mud it is mine by Barton. Calling me nuts and saying I am lying about my personal and political views are  acts of a defensive man. I am disagreeing with his history facts, he is assaulting me, as is his co-worker at Wallbuilders (associating Barton&#039;s critics with Nazis). 



Anyway, I also contacted Wallbuilders on three occasions. One the office by phone, once the organization by email and then once directly to Rick Green. There was no response. He has made no effort to reach out to me. I do know also that other Christian scholars leaders have reached out to him to no avail. 



Lively makes many assumptions that aren&#039;t true in his writing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/08/16/correcting-scott-livelys-conspiracy-theory/#comment-72981">Krista Vessell</a>.</p>
<p>Krista &#8211; Yes, I have similar experience. Actually, if anyone&#8217;s name is being dragged through the mud it is mine by Barton. Calling me nuts and saying I am lying about my personal and political views are  acts of a defensive man. I am disagreeing with his history facts, he is assaulting me, as is his co-worker at Wallbuilders (associating Barton&#8217;s critics with Nazis). </p>
<p>Anyway, I also contacted Wallbuilders on three occasions. One the office by phone, once the organization by email and then once directly to Rick Green. There was no response. He has made no effort to reach out to me. I do know also that other Christian scholars leaders have reached out to him to no avail. </p>
<p>Lively makes many assumptions that aren&#8217;t true in his writing.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Krista



It might interest you to know that I seem to have been completely blocked from commenting on Lively&#039;s blog.  My comments were not aggressive, merely (intellectually) &#039;challenging&#039;, but it appears that he (Lively) either cannot cope with them or (and I suspect this is more likely) is simply not interested in any discussion that might lead to a questioning of his pronouncements.  Contrast that attitude with Throckmorton&#039;s: Warren allows on his blog all kinds of comments criticising his views.  The contrast is most instructive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Krista</p>
<p>It might interest you to know that I seem to have been completely blocked from commenting on Lively&#8217;s blog.  My comments were not aggressive, merely (intellectually) &#8216;challenging&#8217;, but it appears that he (Lively) either cannot cope with them or (and I suspect this is more likely) is simply not interested in any discussion that might lead to a questioning of his pronouncements.  Contrast that attitude with Throckmorton&#8217;s: Warren allows on his blog all kinds of comments criticising his views.  The contrast is most instructive.</p>
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		By: Krista Vessell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Krista Vessell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 17:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I messaged Mr. Lively letting him know how insulted I was to be lumped together with people who don&#039;t share my values on traditional marriage (aka., homosexual &quot;activists&quot;) just because I&#039;ve seen and have been vocal regarding David Barton&#039;s errors.  He actually responded claiming that I &quot;missed the point,&quot; and that the point of the article was to point out the fact that everyone who is &quot;attacking&quot; Barton is doing it for publicity and &quot;dragging him through the mud.&quot;  Mr. Lively claims that true Christians would contact Barton in private with their concerns rather than make a spectacle out of him.  I responded to his email directly, stating that I tried to contact Barton directly in a phonecall to Wallbuilders last year over his comparison of the Barbary Wars to the &quot;war on terror&quot; and 9/11.  I never received a response, even though I was asked for my phone number and email address and was assured that someone would get back to me.  I posted the same question to the David Barton/Wallbuilders FB page a few months ago asking for an explanation.  My post was ignored for days, while posts praising Barton or requesting him for public appearances were answered promptly.  Whether he means to or not (I&#039;m giving him the benefit of the doubt because I don&#039;t know him personally, even though the signs point to this being his true character), the way Barton is handling all of this, he comes across as an arrogant individual who believes anything he does is beyond reproach because the end justifies the means.  It doesn&#039;t matter if you take things out of context or chop up the founders&#039; quotes, as long as you&#039;re doing it in the name of Christianity.  As a true Christian, this is what disturbs me the most about Barton, Rick Green, Glenn Beck and anyone else who shares that mentality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I messaged Mr. Lively letting him know how insulted I was to be lumped together with people who don&#8217;t share my values on traditional marriage (aka., homosexual &#8220;activists&#8221;) just because I&#8217;ve seen and have been vocal regarding David Barton&#8217;s errors.  He actually responded claiming that I &#8220;missed the point,&#8221; and that the point of the article was to point out the fact that everyone who is &#8220;attacking&#8221; Barton is doing it for publicity and &#8220;dragging him through the mud.&#8221;  Mr. Lively claims that true Christians would contact Barton in private with their concerns rather than make a spectacle out of him.  I responded to his email directly, stating that I tried to contact Barton directly in a phonecall to Wallbuilders last year over his comparison of the Barbary Wars to the &#8220;war on terror&#8221; and 9/11.  I never received a response, even though I was asked for my phone number and email address and was assured that someone would get back to me.  I posted the same question to the David Barton/Wallbuilders FB page a few months ago asking for an explanation.  My post was ignored for days, while posts praising Barton or requesting him for public appearances were answered promptly.  Whether he means to or not (I&#8217;m giving him the benefit of the doubt because I don&#8217;t know him personally, even though the signs point to this being his true character), the way Barton is handling all of this, he comes across as an arrogant individual who believes anything he does is beyond reproach because the end justifies the means.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if you take things out of context or chop up the founders&#8217; quotes, as long as you&#8217;re doing it in the name of Christianity.  As a true Christian, this is what disturbs me the most about Barton, Rick Green, Glenn Beck and anyone else who shares that mentality.</p>
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		By: Krista Vessell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 17:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Guess I should clarify.  By &quot;traditional marriage,&quot; I mean the actual definition of the word &quot;marriage&quot; as being between one man and one woman.  I have no opposition towards legal equality for same-sex couples; just feel that a different word should be used for that commitment, such as &quot;civil union&quot; or something like that.

And by &quot;homosexual activists,&quot; I was referring to the implication given in Mr. Lively&#039;s article.  He seems to suggest that anyone who disagrees with Barton is on par with this mysterious &quot;gay agenda&quot; that is trying to destroy the very foundation of America and turn it into a demonic, hedonistic society.  Which is absurd, of course, but so is the entire conspiracy theory itself!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess I should clarify.  By &#8220;traditional marriage,&#8221; I mean the actual definition of the word &#8220;marriage&#8221; as being between one man and one woman.  I have no opposition towards legal equality for same-sex couples; just feel that a different word should be used for that commitment, such as &#8220;civil union&#8221; or something like that.</p>
<p>And by &#8220;homosexual activists,&#8221; I was referring to the implication given in Mr. Lively&#8217;s article.  He seems to suggest that anyone who disagrees with Barton is on par with this mysterious &#8220;gay agenda&#8221; that is trying to destroy the very foundation of America and turn it into a demonic, hedonistic society.  Which is absurd, of course, but so is the entire conspiracy theory itself!</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Rather than paint me as a bogeyman, wouldn&#039;t it be more respectable to just address the issues which have been raised by no fewer than 15 conservative Christian scholars?&quot;



Don&#039;t ever try going into politics Warren, you would never make it :) 



And Barton does have to first paint his critics as boogeymen, that way his followers are just thinking about how evil they are and not paying too much attention to his &quot;refutations&quot; of the actual criticisms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rather than paint me as a bogeyman, wouldn&#8217;t it be more respectable to just address the issues which have been raised by no fewer than 15 conservative Christian scholars?&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ever try going into politics Warren, you would never make it 🙂 </p>
<p>And Barton does have to first paint his critics as boogeymen, that way his followers are just thinking about how evil they are and not paying too much attention to his &#8220;refutations&#8221; of the actual criticisms.</p>
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