How so? How do you know that same-sex attraction is not learned/conditioned behavior that develops over time from environmental and volitional factors as opposed to being inborn? In the former case, pupil response may change over time as the condition develops to maturity.

It would be interesting to measure heterosexual individuals such as prison inmates prior to incarceration, who while incarcerated engage in homosexuality, then abandon that practice once released. One might expect the above-discussed pupil responses after incarceration but not prior.

you don’t seem to understand what the term ‘involuntary’ means. It does not mean inborn or genetic. Nor did Warren claim or imply that it did.

Further, you are likely correct that pupil response changes over time. I suspect the pupil response of children would be very different than of adolescents, which would be different than for older people.

As far as testing for pupil changes over time, I’d prefer to see the results for people undergoing SOCE therapy. I.e. before, during, after and a long term follow-up (ex. 1, 5, 10 yrs after the end of therapy).

you don’t seem to understand what the term ‘involuntary’ means. It does not mean inborn or genetic. Nor did Warren claim or imply that it did.

Further, you are likely correct that pupil response changes over time. I suspect the pupil response of children would be very different than of adolescents, which would be different than for older people.

As far as testing for pupil changes over time, I’d prefer to see the results for people undergoing SOCE therapy. I.e. before, during, after and a long term follow-up (ex. 1, 5, 10 yrs after the end of therapy).

How so? How do you know that same-sex attraction is not learned/conditioned behavior that develops over time from environmental and volitional factors as opposed to being inborn? In the former case, pupil response may change over time as the condition develops to maturity.

It would be interesting to measure heterosexual individuals such as prison inmates prior to incarceration, who while incarcerated engage in homosexuality, then abandon that practice once released. One might expect the above-discussed pupil responses after incarceration but not prior.