–Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

Warren, I seem to remember, has dealt with this quotation before. I seriously doubt Mr. Hagemeier understands the context. It’s actually a radically heterodox sentiment and refers to a theological system that I seriously doubt Hagemeier even would consider “Christianity.”

That Israel’s government was a democratic republic, not so much.

*”And he will take your fields and your vineyards, and your olive yards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. And he will take the tenth of your seed, ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shell have chosen, AND THE LORD WILL NOT HEAR YOU IN THAT DAY.”—1Sam8

In virtually all of Washington’s quotations “talking up” Christianity, it is invariably in the context of equating Christianity with character of being a “good person.” GW believed that “religion” in a general sense (not Christianity in particular) provided republics with the morality indefensible for self government.

GW isn’t saying this is a Christian Nation or that Christ is the only way to God. He never said anything of the sort because he didn’t believe it. George Washington valued Christianity because Christianity is a religion and GW valued “religion.”

Henry – If there is much ado about nothing, then we can just say anything we want and forget any effort to figure out what the text actually says. I suppose most Christians do that anyway but at least you are honest about it.

Barton wants us to believe that these verses mean that the people voted for their leaders and the leaders represented them in some kind of representative government. The “rulers” weren’t rulers, they were judges who help decide disputes. Whereas some people may have made recommendations for judges, Moses did the appointing. How about we do the upcoming election that way? We can vote but in the end Obama appoints the leaders. Much ado about nothing.

The version in the post is not the KJV, it is the NIV. However, look at the NASB which is what the Founders Bible is. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2018&version=NASB. There is no difference. Barton’s Founders’ Bible cites Exodus 18 at odds with the text, whether the text is the NASB, Geneva Bible, or whatever version you look at.

RE: Venom, etc. I will let other readers decide whose contribution begins with venom. You certainly did not approach this post with an open mind.

Your comment is merely idle supposition. If you are going to say that someone is lying, you must present evidence to back up the claim.

As for ‘allowing your comment’: well, I must point out that Warren is not one of those people who generally refuses to publish comments that he might not like. There are other blogs where this is much more likely to happen – Scott Lively’s for example.

October 7, 2012 at 8:42 am

“it would never have been possible for you to have given an accurate and objective review of the work in the first place.”

And do you have any evidence that Warren’s post was inaccurate? Can you show where Warren was wrong or misleading in his analysis? Or do you just want to hurl insults and innuendo instead of reasoned arguments?

“I am sure this damning response that disproves your entire progressive agenda-based attack wont be allowed on this site”

Your response didn’t “disprove” anything. You just made accusations without any proof at all.

God does not use the Bible as a ‘megaphone’; if that is what he had wanted, he would not have been so daft as to leave it to a bunch of human beings to compile it!