Comments on: New York Times on the Changes at Exodus

By: Lynn David

Lynn David — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:54 +0000

More who do not like what is happening at Exodus:

http://proverbspurple.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/exodus-international-sinking-or-sailing/

By: Teresa

Teresa — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:54 +0000

Thank you, Warren, for stating the following:

In fact, given the psychoanalytic roots of the model, it has surprised me that conservative Christians have bought into it for as long they have.

This has been a sore point for me for some time. The roots of psychotherapy are deeply atheistic; and, quite contrary to any Christian belief circa mid-1800’s. In fact, there was quite a battle surrounding all the ‘modern’ mid-1800’s innovations: Darwinism, Freud and psychoanalysis; and, last, but not least: Marxism.

The Christian beliefs, particularly Catholicism, saw these as encroachments and violations of the the dignity of the personhood; and, quite contrary to the right order of God and man. It is specifically reductionist science intruding upon God’s world.

I continue to marvel at how ignorant all of us are in regards to a history less than 200 years ago. Barton, NARTH have absolutely no idea what underlies their non-Christian history. “First do no harm” seems not to have entered their lexicon.

Thanks again, Warren, for pointing out this elephant in the room concerning the roots of psychoanalysis.

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:54 +0000

Until the day comes when the unhappy people at Exodus International and their evangelical/fundamentalist enablers and co-dependents finally concede that gay people are fine the way they are and that homosexuality is normal for homosexual people and that God made some of his children gay because he darn well wanted to–until that day comes Exodus International will continue to wander aimlessly in the wilderness peddling one form of delusional mumbo-jumbo or another to a dwindling number of people foolish enough to fall for it. The simple truth is that there is no reason for Exodus International to exist in the first place. Mangling the minds, bodies, and souls of gay people is not the work of the Lord. You’ll know that reason and love have finally won the day at Exodus when it disbands.

By: Dave

Dave — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:54 +0000

Hmmm,

Apparently one thing not changing at Exodus is their attitude toward identifying as gay .. at least per this recent blog article by Jeff Buchanan who is listed as Executive Vice president of Exodus ..

http://exodusinternational.org/2012/07/the-new-sexual-identity-crisis/

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:54 +0000

I think we need to keep in mind that Exodus hasn’t completely renounced the idea (or hope) of sexual orientation change. They have only said that “99.9%” don’t lose ALL of their “SSA”. They still have it.

But the REAL question people are asking is: “What percentage of Exodus members become heterosexual in orientation instead?”

The fact is, “less SSA” is still “SSA”. A drop in desire is not orientation change. And having attractions to both sexes (as Randy and Alan admit they do) is not heterosexuality.