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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren, it&#039;s necessary that you set the record straight, and my thanks for doing that.



When are you going to realise that this is not a &quot;single isolated incident&quot; though? This is how the &quot;culture war&quot; is fought. With lies, some of them far more malicious and mendacious than anything Barton has made up.



You do a very good job showing people like me that not all Christians are like that. Just 95% of those I have contact with in a political sense (and 5% of those I have contact with in a personal sense).



You&#039;re doing your part, and some. I just wish that the 95% would get up off their duffs and criticise &lt;b&gt;in public&lt;/b&gt; those who are making them look bad.



I have a question for you too, one I&#039;d like you to think about, but not answer. Do you think Barton believes what he&#039;s said and written?



I refer you to this document:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://65.175.91.69/Reformation_net/COR_Docs/Christian_Worldview_Psychology.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Christian World View of Psychology and Counseling&lt;/a&gt;.



Especially&lt;blockquote&gt;6. Scientific Method

We affirm that the scientific method is useful in carrying out the creation mandate of Genesis 1:28 to subdue and have dominion over creation when the investigators have Biblical presuppositions and when the Bible does not directly give us the answers we seek; that the use of the scientific method is entirely controlled by the presuppositions of the investigators and therefore the results are a pronouncement of faith rather than of scientific fact; and that the faith nature of the results of scientific investigation is evidenced by the investigators&#039; proselytizing intent, that is, their attempt to transform man into their idea of what man should be.

We deny that the scientific method can ever be applied in psychology without its being thoroughly determined by the presuppositions of the investigators.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I&#039;m not at all sure they believe in an objective reality. When facts apparently contradict their beliefs, they feel it only right to ignore them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren, it&#8217;s necessary that you set the record straight, and my thanks for doing that.</p>
<p>When are you going to realise that this is not a &#8220;single isolated incident&#8221; though? This is how the &#8220;culture war&#8221; is fought. With lies, some of them far more malicious and mendacious than anything Barton has made up.</p>
<p>You do a very good job showing people like me that not all Christians are like that. Just 95% of those I have contact with in a political sense (and 5% of those I have contact with in a personal sense).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re doing your part, and some. I just wish that the 95% would get up off their duffs and criticise <b>in public</b> those who are making them look bad.</p>
<p>I have a question for you too, one I&#8217;d like you to think about, but not answer. Do you think Barton believes what he&#8217;s said and written?</p>
<p>I refer you to this document:</p>
<p><a href="http://65.175.91.69/Reformation_net/COR_Docs/Christian_Worldview_Psychology.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Christian World View of Psychology and Counseling</a>.</p>
<p>Especially</p>
<blockquote><p>6. Scientific Method</p>
<p>We affirm that the scientific method is useful in carrying out the creation mandate of Genesis 1:28 to subdue and have dominion over creation when the investigators have Biblical presuppositions and when the Bible does not directly give us the answers we seek; that the use of the scientific method is entirely controlled by the presuppositions of the investigators and therefore the results are a pronouncement of faith rather than of scientific fact; and that the faith nature of the results of scientific investigation is evidenced by the investigators&#8217; proselytizing intent, that is, their attempt to transform man into their idea of what man should be.</p>
<p>We deny that the scientific method can ever be applied in psychology without its being thoroughly determined by the presuppositions of the investigators.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all sure they believe in an objective reality. When facts apparently contradict their beliefs, they feel it only right to ignore them.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zoe Brain says:

June 27, 2012 at 10:35 am 



&quot;Do you think Barton believes what he&#039;s said and written?&quot;



A better question: 



Do you think someone who believes in what he says would be afraid to face his critics? 



As far as your quote from the &quot;Coalition for Revival&quot; I don&#039;t really see the point.  If you search the internet long enough, I&#039;m sure you could find a quote supporting just about anything you want.  There is an old quote:



&lt;blockquote&gt;



The greatest thing about the internet is that anybody can publish on the internet; 



The worse thing about the internet is that &lt;em&gt;anybody&lt;/em&gt; can publish on the internet.



&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoe Brain says:</p>
<p>June 27, 2012 at 10:35 am </p>
<p>&#8220;Do you think Barton believes what he&#8217;s said and written?&#8221;</p>
<p>A better question: </p>
<p>Do you think someone who believes in what he says would be afraid to face his critics? </p>
<p>As far as your quote from the &#8220;Coalition for Revival&#8221; I don&#8217;t really see the point.  If you search the internet long enough, I&#8217;m sure you could find a quote supporting just about anything you want.  There is an old quote:</p>
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<p>The greatest thing about the internet is that anybody can publish on the internet; </p>
<p>The worse thing about the internet is that <em>anybody</em> can publish on the internet.</p>
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		By: James Ferguson		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Look on the bright side, Warren, it looks like you have gotten under Barton&#039;s skin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look on the bright side, Warren, it looks like you have gotten under Barton&#8217;s skin.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren Throckmorton says:

June 26, 2012 at 2:56 pm 



&quot;at least one upcoming interview which I will disclose closer to the date.&quot;



cool.  If it&#039;s not the &quot;Daily Show&quot; I&#039;d recommend contacting them as well.  They have had Barton on 2 or 3 times now.  Once to promote the &quot;Jefferson Lies&quot;, so you should demand equal time for your book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren Throckmorton says:</p>
<p>June 26, 2012 at 2:56 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;at least one upcoming interview which I will disclose closer to the date.&#8221;</p>
<p>cool.  If it&#8217;s not the &#8220;Daily Show&#8221; I&#8217;d recommend contacting them as well.  They have had Barton on 2 or 3 times now.  Once to promote the &#8220;Jefferson Lies&#8221;, so you should demand equal time for your book.</p>
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		By: Carol A Ranney		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I also find it revealing that Barton seems to have mastery of the English language at about an 8th grade level.  &quot;all these secular guys...we don&#039;t have to read this stuff, we know it all false.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also find it revealing that Barton seems to have mastery of the English language at about an 8th grade level.  &#8220;all these secular guys&#8230;we don&#8217;t have to read this stuff, we know it all false.&#8221;</p>
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