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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[On the Statement itself: Penal Code 145 is cited, and this is discriminatory penal legislation.  Consensual same-sex relations remain &#039;criminal offences&#039;, while those who engage in the kind of (consensual) heterosexual shenanigans for which places like Uganda are famous get off &#039;scott free&#039;.  That&#039;s discrimination, pure and simple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Statement itself: Penal Code 145 is cited, and this is discriminatory penal legislation.  Consensual same-sex relations remain &#8216;criminal offences&#8217;, while those who engage in the kind of (consensual) heterosexual shenanigans for which places like Uganda are famous get off &#8216;scott free&#8217;.  That&#8217;s discrimination, pure and simple.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s perfectly legal for people to have multiple (consensual) sexual partners in the UK - it&#039;s just that the state does not give all the &#039;relationships&#039; simultaneous recognition as &#039;marriages&#039;.  So the &#039;polygamy argument&#039; cannot be used to justify gay bashing.



I knew that my comment about &#039;opposition disarray&#039; would be a little painful for you, &#039;Maazi&#039;!  The &#039;opposition&#039; must really be &#039;in a fix&#039; over all this: the Bahati Bill is a real &#039;tar baby&#039; for them - support it, and they can wave goodbye to &#039;western good will&#039;; oppose it, and Bahati (and the NRM generally?) will use that against them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s perfectly legal for people to have multiple (consensual) sexual partners in the UK &#8211; it&#8217;s just that the state does not give all the &#8216;relationships&#8217; simultaneous recognition as &#8216;marriages&#8217;.  So the &#8216;polygamy argument&#8217; cannot be used to justify gay bashing.</p>
<p>I knew that my comment about &#8216;opposition disarray&#8217; would be a little painful for you, &#8216;Maazi&#8217;!  The &#8216;opposition&#8217; must really be &#8216;in a fix&#8217; over all this: the Bahati Bill is a real &#8216;tar baby&#8217; for them &#8211; support it, and they can wave goodbye to &#8216;western good will&#8217;; oppose it, and Bahati (and the NRM generally?) will use that against them.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt; Perhaps are they simply ‘thrashing around’, not sure what to do?&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;



Meaningless comment !  &lt;i&gt;# Pardon the harsh tone #&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Was the Bill ever really ‘shelved’? I pretty certain so (I have my very strong reasons for thinking this, but cannot go into details), but it certainly ISN’T shelved now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I think cabinet minister Adolf .K. Mwesige has been repeatedly shelving, unshelving and re-shelving his copy of the Bahati Bill. So you are right that the bill has been &quot;shelved&quot;, but I think you need to qualify who is doing the shelving....



&lt;blockquote&gt;Ugandan political opposition’s disarray over the Bill could be a factor here (those of us who have ‘done our homework’ know well that some leading opposition politicians are aroused by Bahati’s proposals while others are appalled by them – though the ‘aroused’ ones make more noise, of course) &lt;/blockquote&gt;



I am sorry to say that you scored an &quot;F&quot; in your submitted homework. In case, you are wondering, &quot;F&quot; means you failed woefully. Go and do the homework again and return it for re-marking. 



&lt;blockquote&gt;.... while those who engage in the kind of (consensual) heterosexual shenanigans for which places like Uganda are famous get off ‘scott free’. That’s discrimination, pure and simple.&lt;/blockquote&gt;.



Thats your opinion. I could argue---from an African point of view--- that the criminalization of polygamy across the Northern Hemisphere is a great affront to &quot;human rights&quot; of polygamists  such as dissident Mormons in Utah under siege everywhere from FBI agents. I could argue that Holocaust Denial Laws in European nations (which I personally support) criminalize freedom of speech. In Uganda, gayism is abominable and the sex crime laws will eventually be updated to tackle new challenges brought on by Euro-American Gay Propagandists who now have Africa in their sights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Perhaps are they simply ‘thrashing around’, not sure what to do?</p></blockquote>
<p>Meaningless comment !  <i># Pardon the harsh tone #</i></p>
<blockquote><p>Was the Bill ever really ‘shelved’? I pretty certain so (I have my very strong reasons for thinking this, but cannot go into details), but it certainly ISN’T shelved now.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think cabinet minister Adolf .K. Mwesige has been repeatedly shelving, unshelving and re-shelving his copy of the Bahati Bill. So you are right that the bill has been &#8220;shelved&#8221;, but I think you need to qualify who is doing the shelving&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Ugandan political opposition’s disarray over the Bill could be a factor here (those of us who have ‘done our homework’ know well that some leading opposition politicians are aroused by Bahati’s proposals while others are appalled by them – though the ‘aroused’ ones make more noise, of course) </p></blockquote>
<p>I am sorry to say that you scored an &#8220;F&#8221; in your submitted homework. In case, you are wondering, &#8220;F&#8221; means you failed woefully. Go and do the homework again and return it for re-marking. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;. while those who engage in the kind of (consensual) heterosexual shenanigans for which places like Uganda are famous get off ‘scott free’. That’s discrimination, pure and simple.</p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>Thats your opinion. I could argue&#8212;from an African point of view&#8212; that the criminalization of polygamy across the Northern Hemisphere is a great affront to &#8220;human rights&#8221; of polygamists  such as dissident Mormons in Utah under siege everywhere from FBI agents. I could argue that Holocaust Denial Laws in European nations (which I personally support) criminalize freedom of speech. In Uganda, gayism is abominable and the sex crime laws will eventually be updated to tackle new challenges brought on by Euro-American Gay Propagandists who now have Africa in their sights.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s perfectly legal for people to have multiple (consensual) sexual partners in the UK - it&#039;s just that the state does not give all the &#039;relationships&#039; simultaneous recognition as &#039;marriages&#039;.  So the &#039;polygamy argument&#039; cannot be used to justify gay bashing.



I knew that my comment about &#039;opposition disarray&#039; would be a little painful for you, &#039;Maazi&#039;!  The &#039;opposition&#039; must really be &#039;in a fix&#039; over all this: the Bahati Bill is a real &#039;tar baby&#039; for them - support it, and they can wave goodbye to &#039;western good will&#039;; oppose it, and Bahati (and the NRM generally?) will use that against them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s perfectly legal for people to have multiple (consensual) sexual partners in the UK &#8211; it&#8217;s just that the state does not give all the &#8216;relationships&#8217; simultaneous recognition as &#8216;marriages&#8217;.  So the &#8216;polygamy argument&#8217; cannot be used to justify gay bashing.</p>
<p>I knew that my comment about &#8216;opposition disarray&#8217; would be a little painful for you, &#8216;Maazi&#8217;!  The &#8216;opposition&#8217; must really be &#8216;in a fix&#8217; over all this: the Bahati Bill is a real &#8216;tar baby&#8217; for them &#8211; support it, and they can wave goodbye to &#8216;western good will&#8217;; oppose it, and Bahati (and the NRM generally?) will use that against them.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt; Perhaps are they simply &#039;thrashing around&#039;, not sure what to do?&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;



Meaningless comment !  &lt;i&gt;# Pardon the harsh tone #&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Was the Bill ever really &#039;shelved&#039;? I pretty certain so (I have my very strong reasons for thinking this, but cannot go into details), but it certainly ISN&#039;T shelved now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I think cabinet minister Adolf .K. Mwesige has been repeatedly shelving, unshelving and re-shelving his copy of the Bahati Bill. So you are right that the bill has been &quot;shelved&quot;, but I think you need to qualify who is doing the shelving....



&lt;blockquote&gt;Ugandan political opposition&#039;s disarray over the Bill could be a factor here (those of us who have &#039;done our homework&#039; know well that some leading opposition politicians are aroused by Bahati&#039;s proposals while others are appalled by them &#8211; though the &#039;aroused&#039; ones make more noise, of course) &lt;/blockquote&gt;



I am sorry to say that you scored an &quot;F&quot; in your submitted homework. In case, you are wondering, &quot;F&quot; means you failed woefully. Go and do the homework again and return it for re-marking. 



&lt;blockquote&gt;.... while those who engage in the kind of (consensual) heterosexual shenanigans for which places like Uganda are famous get off &#039;scott free&#039;. That&#039;s discrimination, pure and simple.&lt;/blockquote&gt;.



Thats your opinion. I could argue---from an African point of view--- that the criminalization of polygamy across the Northern Hemisphere is a great affront to &quot;human rights&quot; of polygamists  such as dissident Mormons in Utah under siege everywhere from FBI agents. I could argue that Holocaust Denial Laws in European nations (which I personally support) criminalize freedom of speech. In Uganda, gayism is abominable and the sex crime laws will eventually be updated to tackle new challenges brought on by Euro-American Gay Propagandists who now have Africa in their sights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Perhaps are they simply &#8216;thrashing around&#8217;, not sure what to do?</p></blockquote>
<p>Meaningless comment !  <i># Pardon the harsh tone #</i></p>
<blockquote><p>Was the Bill ever really &#8216;shelved&#8217;? I pretty certain so (I have my very strong reasons for thinking this, but cannot go into details), but it certainly ISN&#8217;T shelved now.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think cabinet minister Adolf .K. Mwesige has been repeatedly shelving, unshelving and re-shelving his copy of the Bahati Bill. So you are right that the bill has been &#8220;shelved&#8221;, but I think you need to qualify who is doing the shelving&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Ugandan political opposition&#8217;s disarray over the Bill could be a factor here (those of us who have &#8216;done our homework&#8217; know well that some leading opposition politicians are aroused by Bahati&#8217;s proposals while others are appalled by them &#8211; though the &#8216;aroused&#8217; ones make more noise, of course) </p></blockquote>
<p>I am sorry to say that you scored an &#8220;F&#8221; in your submitted homework. In case, you are wondering, &#8220;F&#8221; means you failed woefully. Go and do the homework again and return it for re-marking. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;. while those who engage in the kind of (consensual) heterosexual shenanigans for which places like Uganda are famous get off &#8216;scott free&#8217;. That&#8217;s discrimination, pure and simple.</p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>Thats your opinion. I could argue&#8212;from an African point of view&#8212; that the criminalization of polygamy across the Northern Hemisphere is a great affront to &#8220;human rights&#8221; of polygamists  such as dissident Mormons in Utah under siege everywhere from FBI agents. I could argue that Holocaust Denial Laws in European nations (which I personally support) criminalize freedom of speech. In Uganda, gayism is abominable and the sex crime laws will eventually be updated to tackle new challenges brought on by Euro-American Gay Propagandists who now have Africa in their sights.</p>
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