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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Much of what you have said here, &#039;Maazi&#039; dear, is completely irrelevant to this post.  The issues here are not gay marriage or gay adoption, but freedom of conscience, freedom of assembly and the unjust criminalization of (consensual) activities that are legal for heterosexuals.



Please stick to the point(s).



(I would add that people here in the UK are perfectly entitled, if they should choose to do so, to meet peacefully and together express the view that, for example, polygamous marriages should be recognized by the state.  I believe that this is also the case in the USA.  On the issue of &#039;hate speech laws&#039;: there has been a small number of prosecutions here in Britain, but the legal test that must be satisfied to secure a conviction is a stringent one - namely that &quot;the relevant act ... must be threatening, and not just abusive or insulting&quot;.  Of course, saying that gays are a threat to children would almost certainly be deemed &#039;threatening&quot;, as the passions evoked by such a statement could lead to violence against innocent gay people, and, maybe, public disorder generally.  Furthermore, the right of people to express - as long as such expression is not &quot;threatening&quot; - &#039;moral disapproval&#039; of same-sex relations is enshrined in law in the UK.  Conversely, anyone who advocated violence against someone who expressed such &#039;disapproval&#039; could him/herself face prosecution.  In other words, people are free to express views, but must do so in a manner that is not &quot;threatening&quot; ... or, of course, dishonest - that would be libel / slander.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of what you have said here, &#8216;Maazi&#8217; dear, is completely irrelevant to this post.  The issues here are not gay marriage or gay adoption, but freedom of conscience, freedom of assembly and the unjust criminalization of (consensual) activities that are legal for heterosexuals.</p>
<p>Please stick to the point(s).</p>
<p>(I would add that people here in the UK are perfectly entitled, if they should choose to do so, to meet peacefully and together express the view that, for example, polygamous marriages should be recognized by the state.  I believe that this is also the case in the USA.  On the issue of &#8216;hate speech laws&#8217;: there has been a small number of prosecutions here in Britain, but the legal test that must be satisfied to secure a conviction is a stringent one &#8211; namely that &#8220;the relevant act &#8230; must be threatening, and not just abusive or insulting&#8221;.  Of course, saying that gays are a threat to children would almost certainly be deemed &#8216;threatening&#8221;, as the passions evoked by such a statement could lead to violence against innocent gay people, and, maybe, public disorder generally.  Furthermore, the right of people to express &#8211; as long as such expression is not &#8220;threatening&#8221; &#8211; &#8216;moral disapproval&#8217; of same-sex relations is enshrined in law in the UK.  Conversely, anyone who advocated violence against someone who expressed such &#8216;disapproval&#8217; could him/herself face prosecution.  In other words, people are free to express views, but must do so in a manner that is not &#8220;threatening&#8221; &#8230; or, of course, dishonest &#8211; that would be libel / slander.)</p>
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		By: Carol A Ranney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carol A Ranney]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[An explanation of &quot;The Gay Agenda.&quot;

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/17/opinion/granderson-gay-agenda/index.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An explanation of &#8220;The Gay Agenda.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/17/opinion/granderson-gay-agenda/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/17/opinion/granderson-gay-agenda/index.html</a></p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[POINT OF CORRECTION:



....neither will it ever happen that Ugandan children will be farmed out to gay sex practitioners as trophies from the &quot;gay &lt;b&gt;ADOPTION&lt;/b&gt; rights war&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POINT OF CORRECTION:</p>
<p>&#8230;.neither will it ever happen that Ugandan children will be farmed out to gay sex practitioners as trophies from the &#8220;gay <b>ADOPTION</b> rights war&#8221;</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[POINT OF CORRECTION: 



And you know this because you have a crystal ball in America which enables you to follow life in Uganda? or you  &lt;b&gt;KNOW&lt;/b&gt;  this for sure because the chattering Kampala-based domestic puppets of the Euro-American Gay Lobby have claimed that they do not sensitize the youths. Can you please ask the puppet-activists why they distribute propaganda leaflets advising &quot;confused&quot; youths to get in touch with them?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POINT OF CORRECTION: </p>
<p>And you know this because you have a crystal ball in America which enables you to follow life in Uganda? or you  <b>KNOW</b>  this for sure because the chattering Kampala-based domestic puppets of the Euro-American Gay Lobby have claimed that they do not sensitize the youths. Can you please ask the puppet-activists why they distribute propaganda leaflets advising &#8220;confused&#8221; youths to get in touch with them?</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[One more point. &#039;Maazi&#039;: you say (in your habitual demeaning and semi-sexual style - &#039;sex&#039; is clearly very much always &#039;on your mind&#039;, isn&#039;t it?!) &quot;[I]n Uganda, gay sex practitioners can do whatever they like in their dingy bedrooms ...&quot;



NOT TRUE.  The Ugandan State effectively criminalizes private consensual homosexual acts (using old colonial-era laws).  Bahati wants to go further; he wants &#039;to go into people&#039;s bedrooms to seek out and destroy&#039;.



Again, you are either missing the point or deliberately misrepresenting it.  But we&#039;ve got used to that, so are not in the least bit surprised.  Such obfuscation won&#039;t wash, by the way (and I think that M7 and others understand that - hence the on-going &#039;stalemate&#039; with regard to the &#039;Bahati Follies&#039;).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more point. &#8216;Maazi&#8217;: you say (in your habitual demeaning and semi-sexual style &#8211; &#8216;sex&#8217; is clearly very much always &#8216;on your mind&#8217;, isn&#8217;t it?!) &#8220;[I]n Uganda, gay sex practitioners can do whatever they like in their dingy bedrooms &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>NOT TRUE.  The Ugandan State effectively criminalizes private consensual homosexual acts (using old colonial-era laws).  Bahati wants to go further; he wants &#8216;to go into people&#8217;s bedrooms to seek out and destroy&#8217;.</p>
<p>Again, you are either missing the point or deliberately misrepresenting it.  But we&#8217;ve got used to that, so are not in the least bit surprised.  Such obfuscation won&#8217;t wash, by the way (and I think that M7 and others understand that &#8211; hence the on-going &#8216;stalemate&#8217; with regard to the &#8216;Bahati Follies&#8217;).</p>
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