Comments on: Uganda’s clergy calls on Parliament to pass the Anti-Homosexuality Bill

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 22:14:29 +0000

Indeed, Father. Ab+p Lwanga, pursuant to the very clear Vatican Statement of December 2009, did express opposition to the Bill as a whole, saying that it is ‘unnecessary’ and its provisions are (and I quote) “at odds with the core values of the Christian faith”.

The official Anglican position is more problematic (reflecting perhaps the current ‘crisis’ in the Anglican Communion?): the leadership’s statements on the Bill have, as far as I can see, been mealy-mouthed and half-hearted, although some individual Anglican clerics have shown strength. Orombi’s own ‘agenda’ when it comes to relations with Lambeth Palace is, I suspect, a particularly problematic element of this situation. And, as I said before, he is rumoured to be close to Bahati.

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:43 +0000

It will be interesting to see how the Vatican reacts to Lwanga’s alleged ‘about turn’: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/11/36896

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:41 +0000

(Just to note: I thought I’d ‘turn up the heat’ on [a certain type of] Anglicans, to taje the heat off Baptists for a while! 🙂 )

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:41 +0000

BTW, Niringiye is a ‘hard-liner’ on the issue of ‘homosexuality’. I think I have read that he apparently implicitly ‘justifies’ the incarceration and murder of consenting adults by drawing parallels with rape (yes – that silly nonsense again!) and adultery (which is no longer actually a criminal offence in Uganda – so the ‘bishop’s’ contention would seem to be ‘factually challenged’). A nasty piece of work …

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:41 +0000

(I think that N. is actually ‘personally’ opposed to the death penalty, but my reading of comments I recall seeing is that if rapists are hanged then [at least some] ‘consenting’ gay adults should also be killed by the state. I really don’t understand people like him – no logic, no clarity. He should stop ‘speaking with forked tongue’ and make his position crystal clear.)

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:41 +0000

Word from UG is that it’s all about Niringiye. He’s trying to make himself into ‘Ssempa Mark II’, according to someone I’ve just been talking with.

Interesting complication: Zac is very anti-M7 (unlike Janet’s boy, Marty). Watch this space …

Meanwhile, some UG friends of mine are setting up a Christian ministry to help those injured in boda-boda accidents (I say this because I would hate to give the impression that all Ugandans do is plot and intrigue – such an impression would be most unfair).

By: Dr. Arthur Frederick Ide

Dr. Arthur Frederick Ide — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:41 +0000

The clergy has never been objective about anything at any time. Since 325 CE, when the Emperor Constantine I invented Christianity at his Council of Nicaea, and later burned the books (primarily by Arius) that opposed his imperial goals by rejecting his church, Christianity has worked feverishly to create its own state (as with the papal states especially under the warrior Pope Julius II) and control all people as slaves, as with the publication and papal printing of “Malleus Maleficarum”. No person will be free until all authoritarian religioun are erased from the planet by educating its profiteering prophets, priests and other predators, and allow individuals the right of choice.

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:41 +0000

And here’s the IRCU statement of May 2010, courtesy of GUg:-

http://gayuganda.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/position-of-inter-religious-council-of.html

(I remember this: ‘they’ said they didn’t want the Bill, but instead a ‘leaflet campaign’ to tell people that ‘homosexuality’ is vewy vewy vewy naughty!)

By the way, IRCU Presidents, there is already life imprisonment for so-called ‘sodomy’ in UG, so your stated concerns about ‘life imprisonment’ would be addressed only if Penal Code 145 were watered down or repealed. It’s only an old bit of colonial era rubbish, after all!

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:41 +0000

Interesting aside: it appears that IRCU is/has ‘taking/taken a pop’ at NGOs working in the field of HIV/AIDS. http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/631766-reports-on-aids-fund-untrue.html

From the article:-

” The second was the complaint from the Inter-Religious Council of Uganda (IRCU) that other NGOs were using their funds mainly for salaries and not providing services for those affected and infected by the epidemic. There was even a cartoon in the New Vision of May 13, 2012 showing USAID removing funds from the HIV/AIDS fight. This is far from the truth. “

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:41 +0000

Well, the Monitor says that it’s not just N. and O., but a whole motley mob of ‘gay-bashops’: http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Bishops+want+shelved+anti+gay+Bill+dusted/-/688334/1424158/-/lec25uz/-/index.html

If this is true, it looks like the Catholics have ‘caved in’ to hate (the UG Anglicans and Orthodox were always highly ‘suspect’ in my view). Shame on them. 🙁

At the same (UJCC) conference, the alleged bashops reportedly said this:

“the church has a biblical mandate to challenge policies and practices that perpetuate injustice, marginalisation or inequality.”

Oh yes?