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		By: stephen		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Right. So any number of ignorant fundie preachers tell gay Americans that they are filth and are going to hell. They organize to strip us of our civil rights. That&#039;s OK. But let someone push back and it&#039;s the end of the world.



Pathetic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. So any number of ignorant fundie preachers tell gay Americans that they are filth and are going to hell. They organize to strip us of our civil rights. That&#8217;s OK. But let someone push back and it&#8217;s the end of the world.</p>
<p>Pathetic.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[One minister or pastor would be enough. One opinion-leader from the area.



There&#039;s this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;After listening to the sermon Tuesday, a divinity professor at Campbell University called it &quot;one of the most disappointing and un-Christ-like diatribes I have ever heard.&quot;



&quot;I would not dishonor the word &#039;sermon&#039; by identifying it as such,&quot; said Tony Cartledge, who teaches Old Testament at Campbell, a Baptist university in Harnett County.



He noted Berean Baptist appears to be an independent congregation.



&quot;We must be careful not to assume that every Baptist, or even everyone who believes homosexual behavior to be sinful, would endorse Harris&#039; over-the-top promotion of beating gay tendencies out of their children,&quot; Cartledge said via email. &quot;At the same time, we have to state unequivocally that Harris&#039; position presents a distorted view of scripture that is completely out of keeping with the teachings of Jesus.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



No, not &lt;b&gt;every&lt;/b&gt; Baptist does endorse it. There are quite a number who don&#039;t, at least a substantial minority in fact. I personally believe, from talking with Trans people from that background, those who don&#039;t are even a slim majority. Only about two in three trans people from Baptist backgrounds has been raped, beaten, or shot at by their families to &quot;man them up&quot; - and survived. That may seem like a majority, but it&#039;s a self-selecting sample: those who don&#039;t get bones broken etc tend not to need psychological help afterwards.



I don&#039;t know how many &quot;run away&quot; though, their bodies buried in the woods after an &quot;honor killing&quot;. We know that number is non-zero, as a few have survived the wounds, and a few more have had their bodies found. Certainly it&#039;s a very common threat that&#039;s used.



At a guess, I&#039;d say the proportion of Baptist pastors who would actively approve of such actions is about the same as the proportion of Catholic priests who rape children. Between 1 in 20 and 1 in 60. The rest just enable it. Lacking good data though, such a &quot;guess&quot; is mere conjecture. The only thing I know for sure is the testimony from the hundreds of survivors if it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One minister or pastor would be enough. One opinion-leader from the area.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s this:</p>
<blockquote><p>After listening to the sermon Tuesday, a divinity professor at Campbell University called it &#8220;one of the most disappointing and un-Christ-like diatribes I have ever heard.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I would not dishonor the word &#8216;sermon&#8217; by identifying it as such,&#8221; said Tony Cartledge, who teaches Old Testament at Campbell, a Baptist university in Harnett County.</p>
<p>He noted Berean Baptist appears to be an independent congregation.</p>
<p>&#8220;We must be careful not to assume that every Baptist, or even everyone who believes homosexual behavior to be sinful, would endorse Harris&#8217; over-the-top promotion of beating gay tendencies out of their children,&#8221; Cartledge said via email. &#8220;At the same time, we have to state unequivocally that Harris&#8217; position presents a distorted view of scripture that is completely out of keeping with the teachings of Jesus.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>No, not <b>every</b> Baptist does endorse it. There are quite a number who don&#8217;t, at least a substantial minority in fact. I personally believe, from talking with Trans people from that background, those who don&#8217;t are even a slim majority. Only about two in three trans people from Baptist backgrounds has been raped, beaten, or shot at by their families to &#8220;man them up&#8221; &#8211; and survived. That may seem like a majority, but it&#8217;s a self-selecting sample: those who don&#8217;t get bones broken etc tend not to need psychological help afterwards.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how many &#8220;run away&#8221; though, their bodies buried in the woods after an &#8220;honor killing&#8221;. We know that number is non-zero, as a few have survived the wounds, and a few more have had their bodies found. Certainly it&#8217;s a very common threat that&#8217;s used.</p>
<p>At a guess, I&#8217;d say the proportion of Baptist pastors who would actively approve of such actions is about the same as the proportion of Catholic priests who rape children. Between 1 in 20 and 1 in 60. The rest just enable it. Lacking good data though, such a &#8220;guess&#8221; is mere conjecture. The only thing I know for sure is the testimony from the hundreds of survivors if it.</p>
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		By: Bernie		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Zoe, I&#039;m glad Grandma furnished the article from BaptistsToday, as I was just about to do that. I watched his entire sermon last night. Needless to say I was sickened that this animosity and ignorance would come from a &#039;man&#039; of God. Myself and many others took to the internet today, to expose what was clearly stated in his sermon.

Yes, he was expounding about gender, and how that is ordained by God in the Bible,&quot;Male and Female He made them.&quot; That only describes the dimorphism between the two genders. It offers nothing as to their sexual orientation, which, I believe is ordained by God as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zoe, I&#8217;m glad Grandma furnished the article from BaptistsToday, as I was just about to do that. I watched his entire sermon last night. Needless to say I was sickened that this animosity and ignorance would come from a &#8216;man&#8217; of God. Myself and many others took to the internet today, to expose what was clearly stated in his sermon.</p>
<p>Yes, he was expounding about gender, and how that is ordained by God in the Bible,&#8221;Male and Female He made them.&#8221; That only describes the dimorphism between the two genders. It offers nothing as to their sexual orientation, which, I believe is ordained by God as well.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh Bernie I am so glad you are here. In fact it was &lt;b&gt;YOUR&lt;/b&gt; comment Bernie over at Good As You who lead me to this Baptist Today Blog, so props to YOU! We are all learning from each other and the internet is the great leveler.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Bernie I am so glad you are here. In fact it was <b>YOUR</b> comment Bernie over at Good As You who lead me to this Baptist Today Blog, so props to YOU! We are all learning from each other and the internet is the great leveler.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[While this has turned into the Dan Savage discussion I&#039;ll interrupt with a comment about Pastor Harris. I was so happy yesterday that I had the time to take action. I am so glad we took him down, and by we I mean ALL the people who called and wrote and e-mailed. Probably the best comment I read was this one,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I wrote to their pastor and told him that i am sure jesus would love to beat little gay kids with a belt! i can just see jesus doing that kind of thing. jesus is that kind of guy!&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Zoe asked for One, just one minister in that area who spoke out. Well I found one on a blog called Baptist Today. I don&#039;t know if he is a minister or not though.



Also Zoe on this website is a video of the &quot;sermon&quot;, if I remember right at about 13 minutes he talks about transgender people and how they are wrong to God. at 45:30 minutes is where he preaches to punch your four year old son if he acts to sissy. Please do listen to the rest of the &quot;sermon&quot; it is only 10 more minutes until the end.

http://www.baptiststoday.org/cartledge-blog/2012/5/1/read-it-and-weep-or-worse.html



I did add a comment to this blog and I did mention Warren in my comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this has turned into the Dan Savage discussion I&#8217;ll interrupt with a comment about Pastor Harris. I was so happy yesterday that I had the time to take action. I am so glad we took him down, and by we I mean ALL the people who called and wrote and e-mailed. Probably the best comment I read was this one,</p>
<blockquote><p>I wrote to their pastor and told him that i am sure jesus would love to beat little gay kids with a belt! i can just see jesus doing that kind of thing. jesus is that kind of guy!</p></blockquote>
<p>Zoe asked for One, just one minister in that area who spoke out. Well I found one on a blog called Baptist Today. I don&#8217;t know if he is a minister or not though.</p>
<p>Also Zoe on this website is a video of the &#8220;sermon&#8221;, if I remember right at about 13 minutes he talks about transgender people and how they are wrong to God. at 45:30 minutes is where he preaches to punch your four year old son if he acts to sissy. Please do listen to the rest of the &#8220;sermon&#8221; it is only 10 more minutes until the end.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baptiststoday.org/cartledge-blog/2012/5/1/read-it-and-weep-or-worse.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.baptiststoday.org/cartledge-blog/2012/5/1/read-it-and-weep-or-worse.html</a></p>
<p>I did add a comment to this blog and I did mention Warren in my comment.</p>
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