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		By: Blake		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Revisionism is so persistent &#038; scapegoating so popular I&#039;m beginning to suspect it must be motivated by a universal human reaction to something. It really is astonishing to me that in a post-holocaust world we could even have further scapegoating much less additional genocides &#038; atrocities.  



So to answer your question: 



&lt;blockquote&gt; When will we learn? &lt;/blockquote&gt;



I suspect never. All the more reason people of every political stripe &#038; character should feel morally obligated to speak out against prejudice wherever it is encountered. Well done, Dr. T.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revisionism is so persistent &amp; scapegoating so popular I&#8217;m beginning to suspect it must be motivated by a universal human reaction to something. It really is astonishing to me that in a post-holocaust world we could even have further scapegoating much less additional genocides &amp; atrocities.  </p>
<p>So to answer your question: </p>
<blockquote><p> When will we learn? </p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect never. All the more reason people of every political stripe &amp; character should feel morally obligated to speak out against prejudice wherever it is encountered. Well done, Dr. T.</p>
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		By: Blake		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Revisionism is so persistent &#038; scapegoating so popular I&#039;m beginning to suspect it must be motivated by a universal human reaction to something. It really is astonishing to me that in a post-holocaust world we could even have further scapegoating much less additional genocides &#038; atrocities.  



So to answer your question: 



&lt;blockquote&gt; When will we learn? &lt;/blockquote&gt;



I suspect never. All the more reason people of every political stripe &#038; character should feel morally obligated to speak out against prejudice wherever it is encountered. Well done, Dr. T.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revisionism is so persistent &#38; scapegoating so popular I&#8217;m beginning to suspect it must be motivated by a universal human reaction to something. It really is astonishing to me that in a post-holocaust world we could even have further scapegoating much less additional genocides &#38; atrocities.  </p>
<p>So to answer your question: </p>
<blockquote><p> When will we learn? </p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect never. All the more reason people of every political stripe &#38; character should feel morally obligated to speak out against prejudice wherever it is encountered. Well done, Dr. T.</p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, there are jaw-dropping errors on every page, if not in every paragraph.  The definitive refutation of this &quot;work&quot; has yet to be written, probably because it would take up 500 pages.



Here&#039;s 2 more:



- Lively cites William Shirer&#039;s huge work, The Rise and Fall of the 3d Reich.  That work consists of over 1200 pages of writing from a former CBS reporter who witnessed Nazism&#039;s ascent.  In the entire book, homosexuals are mentioned a few times, perhaps a half dozen, and nearly all of these references are to a single individual and his lover.  Although I haven&#039;t done the search, it is possible that there are more frequent references to kittens and wienerschnitzel than there are references to gays.   The remainder of the 1264 pages has nothing to say about homosexuals or homosexuality.  Apparently, Shirer missed Lively&#039;s discovery that homosexuality was the organizing force behind the Nazi party and was the cause of Nazi atrocities.  Lively ignores the entirety of the book and happily cites the few references to homosexuals.



- Lively claims that German soldiers who occupied France were brutal because they previously served as police in Berlin in the 20s, where they were forced to engage in homosexual prostitution to make money.  Lively claims that this experience with homosexuality filled the soldiers with rage and made them amenable to committing brutal acts.  Of course, to begin to make this argument, you would have to identify the individual soldiers serving in the occupying units in France, research the employment history of those soldiers, identify those soldiers who served as policemen in Berlin, identify those former policemen who had engaged in homosexual prostitution and who became chronically enraged as a result, determined that those soldiers had also engaged in acts of brutality in France, and finally, adduce some evidence that the acts of brutality in France in 1940-44 were caused by homosexual prostitution in Berlin 20 years earlier.  And if you did all of that for even a single soldier, it wouldn&#039;t even be close to sufficient, as you would need to show that this phenomenon was sufficiently pervasive to cause atrocities throughout the sizable occupation force.  Take a guess as to whether Lively even tries to make this case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, there are jaw-dropping errors on every page, if not in every paragraph.  The definitive refutation of this &#8220;work&#8221; has yet to be written, probably because it would take up 500 pages.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s 2 more:</p>
<p>&#8211; Lively cites William Shirer&#8217;s huge work, The Rise and Fall of the 3d Reich.  That work consists of over 1200 pages of writing from a former CBS reporter who witnessed Nazism&#8217;s ascent.  In the entire book, homosexuals are mentioned a few times, perhaps a half dozen, and nearly all of these references are to a single individual and his lover.  Although I haven&#8217;t done the search, it is possible that there are more frequent references to kittens and wienerschnitzel than there are references to gays.   The remainder of the 1264 pages has nothing to say about homosexuals or homosexuality.  Apparently, Shirer missed Lively&#8217;s discovery that homosexuality was the organizing force behind the Nazi party and was the cause of Nazi atrocities.  Lively ignores the entirety of the book and happily cites the few references to homosexuals.</p>
<p>&#8211; Lively claims that German soldiers who occupied France were brutal because they previously served as police in Berlin in the 20s, where they were forced to engage in homosexual prostitution to make money.  Lively claims that this experience with homosexuality filled the soldiers with rage and made them amenable to committing brutal acts.  Of course, to begin to make this argument, you would have to identify the individual soldiers serving in the occupying units in France, research the employment history of those soldiers, identify those soldiers who served as policemen in Berlin, identify those former policemen who had engaged in homosexual prostitution and who became chronically enraged as a result, determined that those soldiers had also engaged in acts of brutality in France, and finally, adduce some evidence that the acts of brutality in France in 1940-44 were caused by homosexual prostitution in Berlin 20 years earlier.  And if you did all of that for even a single soldier, it wouldn&#8217;t even be close to sufficient, as you would need to show that this phenomenon was sufficiently pervasive to cause atrocities throughout the sizable occupation force.  Take a guess as to whether Lively even tries to make this case.</p>
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		By: Bernie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As always Warren, Bravo!  



My only wish, if I had such, that the sheeple(if you will), would only be allowed to hear the debunking of Lively et al. Alas, I know that will never happen. I have become increasingly aware of the reactions of the RR community around me. It is sad, but true, that everything they hear from the pulpit is perceived as &quot;Gospel&quot;.  



This is the danger of people like Lively. Most people wouldn&#039;t dare question the authority of a preacher, thereby, why even feel the impetus to research the topic itself. Ergo, my vigilant watchful eye over the prevaricators and charlatans like David Barton, Linda Harvey, Peter Sprigg, Tony Perkins, Peter LaBarbera, et al.



For as long as the Lord God Almighty allows me to breathe, I will watch these people who engage in dissemination of falsehoods(LIES), misinformation(LIES), prevarications(LIES).....there&#039;s no way to politely put it but Lies. My you, as equally as Jesus gives me strength, I will call them on their lies. Their sole purpose is paint us as deviants, a purpose of the antichrist.  As a devout Christian, I friggin beg to differ.  Yeah, I cursed, not in my usual NY fashion, but if it&#039;s shock value that seems to be part of the mainstream, then so be it! 



The one question that I beg of all these pontificating self-righteous preachers is simply this,&quot;Which do you hold more in esteem, The Bible, or, God Himself?&quot; Or, more pointedly,&quot;Do you believe in The Bible, more than you believe in the very Christ, or God Almighty himself?&quot;



Secondly, I&#039;d love to approach these Gentlemen, whom always seem to have a mic, and ask,&quot; What are you doing to, in your ministry, to employ the &#039;infinite&#039; inconclusiveness of Christ&#039;s Love? And by that, I mean, teh Gays, Muslims, Hindus, et al?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always Warren, Bravo!  </p>
<p>My only wish, if I had such, that the sheeple(if you will), would only be allowed to hear the debunking of Lively et al. Alas, I know that will never happen. I have become increasingly aware of the reactions of the RR community around me. It is sad, but true, that everything they hear from the pulpit is perceived as &#8220;Gospel&#8221;.  </p>
<p>This is the danger of people like Lively. Most people wouldn&#8217;t dare question the authority of a preacher, thereby, why even feel the impetus to research the topic itself. Ergo, my vigilant watchful eye over the prevaricators and charlatans like David Barton, Linda Harvey, Peter Sprigg, Tony Perkins, Peter LaBarbera, et al.</p>
<p>For as long as the Lord God Almighty allows me to breathe, I will watch these people who engage in dissemination of falsehoods(LIES), misinformation(LIES), prevarications(LIES)&#8230;..there&#8217;s no way to politely put it but Lies. My you, as equally as Jesus gives me strength, I will call them on their lies. Their sole purpose is paint us as deviants, a purpose of the antichrist.  As a devout Christian, I friggin beg to differ.  Yeah, I cursed, not in my usual NY fashion, but if it&#8217;s shock value that seems to be part of the mainstream, then so be it! </p>
<p>The one question that I beg of all these pontificating self-righteous preachers is simply this,&#8221;Which do you hold more in esteem, The Bible, or, God Himself?&#8221; Or, more pointedly,&#8221;Do you believe in The Bible, more than you believe in the very Christ, or God Almighty himself?&#8221;</p>
<p>Secondly, I&#8217;d love to approach these Gentlemen, whom always seem to have a mic, and ask,&#8221; What are you doing to, in your ministry, to employ the &#8216;infinite&#8217; inconclusiveness of Christ&#8217;s Love? And by that, I mean, teh Gays, Muslims, Hindus, et al?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, there are jaw-dropping errors on every page, if not in every paragraph.  The definitive refutation of this &quot;work&quot; has yet to be written, probably because it would take up 500 pages.



Here&#039;s 2 more:



- Lively cites William Shirer&#039;s huge work, The Rise and Fall of the 3d Reich.  That work consists of over 1200 pages of writing from a former CBS reporter who witnessed Nazism&#039;s ascent.  In the entire book, homosexuals are mentioned a few times, perhaps a half dozen, and nearly all of these references are to a single individual and his lover.  Although I haven&#039;t done the search, it is possible that there are more frequent references to kittens and wienerschnitzel than there are references to gays.   The remainder of the 1264 pages has nothing to say about homosexuals or homosexuality.  Apparently, Shirer missed Lively&#039;s discovery that homosexuality was the organizing force behind the Nazi party and was the cause of Nazi atrocities.  Lively ignores the entirety of the book and happily cites the few references to homosexuals.



- Lively claims that German soldiers who occupied France were brutal because they previously served as police in Berlin in the 20s, where they were forced to engage in homosexual prostitution to make money.  Lively claims that this experience with homosexuality filled the soldiers with rage and made them amenable to committing brutal acts.  Of course, to begin to make this argument, you would have to identify the individual soldiers serving in the occupying units in France, research the employment history of those soldiers, identify those soldiers who served as policemen in Berlin, identify those former policemen who had engaged in homosexual prostitution and who became chronically enraged as a result, determined that those soldiers had also engaged in acts of brutality in France, and finally, adduce some evidence that the acts of brutality in France in 1940-44 were caused by homosexual prostitution in Berlin 20 years earlier.  And if you did all of that for even a single soldier, it wouldn&#039;t even be close to sufficient, as you would need to show that this phenomenon was sufficiently pervasive to cause atrocities throughout the sizable occupation force.  Take a guess as to whether Lively even tries to make this case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, there are jaw-dropping errors on every page, if not in every paragraph.  The definitive refutation of this &#8220;work&#8221; has yet to be written, probably because it would take up 500 pages.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s 2 more:</p>
<p>&#8211; Lively cites William Shirer&#8217;s huge work, The Rise and Fall of the 3d Reich.  That work consists of over 1200 pages of writing from a former CBS reporter who witnessed Nazism&#8217;s ascent.  In the entire book, homosexuals are mentioned a few times, perhaps a half dozen, and nearly all of these references are to a single individual and his lover.  Although I haven&#8217;t done the search, it is possible that there are more frequent references to kittens and wienerschnitzel than there are references to gays.   The remainder of the 1264 pages has nothing to say about homosexuals or homosexuality.  Apparently, Shirer missed Lively&#8217;s discovery that homosexuality was the organizing force behind the Nazi party and was the cause of Nazi atrocities.  Lively ignores the entirety of the book and happily cites the few references to homosexuals.</p>
<p>&#8211; Lively claims that German soldiers who occupied France were brutal because they previously served as police in Berlin in the 20s, where they were forced to engage in homosexual prostitution to make money.  Lively claims that this experience with homosexuality filled the soldiers with rage and made them amenable to committing brutal acts.  Of course, to begin to make this argument, you would have to identify the individual soldiers serving in the occupying units in France, research the employment history of those soldiers, identify those soldiers who served as policemen in Berlin, identify those former policemen who had engaged in homosexual prostitution and who became chronically enraged as a result, determined that those soldiers had also engaged in acts of brutality in France, and finally, adduce some evidence that the acts of brutality in France in 1940-44 were caused by homosexual prostitution in Berlin 20 years earlier.  And if you did all of that for even a single soldier, it wouldn&#8217;t even be close to sufficient, as you would need to show that this phenomenon was sufficiently pervasive to cause atrocities throughout the sizable occupation force.  Take a guess as to whether Lively even tries to make this case.</p>
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