Comments on: WND: Lively sued over “biblically based beliefs”

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 23:08:33 +0000

I completely agree, William.

There is nothing remotely ‘pro-family’ about blatant and dishonest gay-bashing (or blantant anybody-else-bashing, for that matter).

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 23:08:33 +0000

Well, it’s a different view.

At the core of this whole case is the question ‘has Lively misrepresented (a.k.a. lied about) gay people in such a way as to cause, or potentially cause, them harm?’

If, on balance, it can be shown in court that he has, then he will rightly be liable for damages.

In a sense, ‘homosexuality’ actually has nothing to do with this whole business. It’s really a straightforward matter of whether defamation and incitement can, on balance of probability, be shown to have occurred.

By: William

William — Wed, 30 May 2018 23:08:33 +0000

DAVE G, I see that the article to which you have linked repeatedly describes Lively as “pro-family”, and says that he is being attacked for “pro-family” speeches in Uganda. Well, that’s a misrepresentation, with knobs on.

By: DAVE G

DAVE G — Wed, 30 May 2018 23:08:33 +0000

Let’s admit it’s hard to read material coming from a very different set of convictions. But seeing both sides is necessary to approach a firmer grasp on objective truth.

By: Green Conservitive

Green Conservitive — Wed, 30 May 2018 23:08:32 +0000

Well I think it is free speech, but at the same time I would like to know if he had any objections to making the penalty death. That would be my problem if he were to have actually encouraged the law to put gays to death. But if he did not it is just retarded not anything which should be taken to court… Hate speech is speech and bad speech can be cured with more speech. But if this guy actually did not protest the law putting gays to death and legitimately try to water it down I can see that he should be sued in some way on behalf of those who will die. As a bisexual Christian I think I should point out that Jesus had no opinion on homos like me and probably had a ton of gay friends among the Romans he hung with so him not saying anything about it speaks volumes. This would basically be an old testament Jewish belief which some Christians adopt and one which the Jews mostly have abandoned… So this was just something stupid which we can blame on people not reading their bibles right! I am not blaming Jews here but this would have not happened if in the split from the Canaanites the Jewish priest had thought up a less extreme way to keep Canaanite Sodomistic rituals out of the Land of Israel! I would say this is just dumb and anti-American if they are just suing him for nothing unless his actions directly led to the Law in it’s current form!

By: DAVE G

DAVE G — Wed, 30 May 2018 23:08:31 +0000

MassResistance has an interesting counterpoint on this subject –for those who want to see another side of Christian reaction to the lawsuit: http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/12a/lively_ccr_lawsuit/index.html

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 23:08:31 +0000

From what I understand, Lively is, in effect, being sued for defamation and incitement. (Lively is entitled his views on ‘homosexuality’, as long as doesn’t behave in a way that harms others.)

(As for the prohibition in Leviticus: this was probably written down during the early part of the exile in Babylon.)

By: Emily K

Emily K — Wed, 30 May 2018 22:50:35 +0000

By the first century CE, and probably even before, the death penalty had been rendered virtually unenforceable according to Talmudic law – too many requirements were placed upon it for it to be lawfully carried out. So Jews didn’t “abandon” it so much as reasoned a way beyond its lawful use.

Christians don’t consider the Talmud or the Oral Torah or the teachings of the Rabbinic Sages to be binding, so they’re left with a literalist reading of the scriptures. Usually the excuse I hear is “well Jesus ‘fulfilled’ [such and such law] so we no longer [such and such action].”

By: Richard Willmer

Richard Willmer — Wed, 30 May 2018 22:08:43 +0000

*yesterday’s BAD weather* (must still be thinking of my bed, despite the glorious sunshine here in London this morning!)

By: Bernie

Bernie — Wed, 30 May 2018 19:54:12 +0000

Once again Warren, Bravo!

PS, Grandma, I tried to email you, but yet no response.