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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/03/14/human-rights-group-sues-scott-lively-over-persecution-of-gays-in-uganda/#comment-95448&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m quite surprised (but pleased) that the case is being allowed to proceed.  That in itself is perhaps something of a &#039;victory&#039;.



In advance of the ruling, Lively has set out something of a &#039;stall&#039; in a &#039;rebuttal&#039; of &#039;leftist propagand&#039; that is full of factual errors about the Bahati Bill - errors that will be easy to highlight by reference to the text of the Bill.  At least he admits that the death penalty is still there, which is something, I suppose.



I wrote to him to point out his errors (as well as to say that the fact a particular law might not be consistently applied - Lively talks in his &#039;rebuttal&#039; of laws not being applied as harshly as they might be - is irrelevant).



To add further further &#039;obfuscation&#039;, he claims not to support the Bill while suggesting that it might be necessary - by citing &#039;sex tourism&#039; (why then is the Bill so clearly aimed at UGANDANS?). 



It&#039;s a very muddled document; if it indicates how he intends to defend himself, he could be in real trouble.



Here it is: http://www.scottlively.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Fact-Sheet-on-Uganda.pdf



(Another piece of hokum is the suggestion that &#039;the people of Uganda&#039; have been &#039;slandered&#039; by opponents of the Bill.  Not so: the guilty ones have been carefully targeted and generalizations about Ugandans avoided.  In any event, the case against him was brought by Ugandans.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/03/14/human-rights-group-sues-scott-lively-over-persecution-of-gays-in-uganda/#comment-95448">ken</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite surprised (but pleased) that the case is being allowed to proceed.  That in itself is perhaps something of a &#8216;victory&#8217;.</p>
<p>In advance of the ruling, Lively has set out something of a &#8216;stall&#8217; in a &#8216;rebuttal&#8217; of &#8216;leftist propagand&#8217; that is full of factual errors about the Bahati Bill &#8211; errors that will be easy to highlight by reference to the text of the Bill.  At least he admits that the death penalty is still there, which is something, I suppose.</p>
<p>I wrote to him to point out his errors (as well as to say that the fact a particular law might not be consistently applied &#8211; Lively talks in his &#8216;rebuttal&#8217; of laws not being applied as harshly as they might be &#8211; is irrelevant).</p>
<p>To add further further &#8216;obfuscation&#8217;, he claims not to support the Bill while suggesting that it might be necessary &#8211; by citing &#8216;sex tourism&#8217; (why then is the Bill so clearly aimed at UGANDANS?). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very muddled document; if it indicates how he intends to defend himself, he could be in real trouble.</p>
<p>Here it is: <a href="http://www.scottlively.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Fact-Sheet-on-Uganda.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scottlively.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Fact-Sheet-on-Uganda.pdf</a></p>
<p>(Another piece of hokum is the suggestion that &#8216;the people of Uganda&#8217; have been &#8216;slandered&#8217; by opponents of the Bill.  Not so: the guilty ones have been carefully targeted and generalizations about Ugandans avoided.  In any event, the case against him was brought by Ugandans.)</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/03/14/human-rights-group-sues-scott-lively-over-persecution-of-gays-in-uganda/#comment-93587&quot;&gt;Sandra Stewart&lt;/a&gt;.

And since this is a civil case, Lively will have to give a deposition and be required to testify under oath.  It will be interesting to see how he responds when he can&#039;t simply ignore the questions he is asked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/03/14/human-rights-group-sues-scott-lively-over-persecution-of-gays-in-uganda/#comment-93587">Sandra Stewart</a>.</p>
<p>And since this is a civil case, Lively will have to give a deposition and be required to testify under oath.  It will be interesting to see how he responds when he can&#8217;t simply ignore the questions he is asked.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stephen H =

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bull Connor and George Wallace&lt;/blockquote&gt;



StraightGrandmother = Bull Connor is an excellent analogy. George Wallace did repent and change in his old age. 



Here read some Wiki on Wallace-

In the late 1970s, Wallace announced that he was a born-again Christian and apologized to black civil rights leaders for his earlier segregationist positions. He said that while he had once sought power and glory, he realized he needed to seek love and forgiveness.[note 3] In 1979, Wallace said of his stand in the schoolhouse door: &quot;I was wrong. Those days are over, and they ought to be over.&quot;[4] His final term as governor (1983&#8211;1987) saw a record number of black appointments to state positions.[52] In his fourth term, Wallace became the first governor to appoint two black members in the same cabinet, a number that has been equaled but never surpassed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen H =</p>
<blockquote><p>Bull Connor and George Wallace</p></blockquote>
<p>StraightGrandmother = Bull Connor is an excellent analogy. George Wallace did repent and change in his old age. </p>
<p>Here read some Wiki on Wallace-</p>
<p>In the late 1970s, Wallace announced that he was a born-again Christian and apologized to black civil rights leaders for his earlier segregationist positions. He said that while he had once sought power and glory, he realized he needed to seek love and forgiveness.[note 3] In 1979, Wallace said of his stand in the schoolhouse door: &#8220;I was wrong. Those days are over, and they ought to be over.&#8221;[4] His final term as governor (1983&#8211;1987) saw a record number of black appointments to state positions.[52] In his fourth term, Wallace became the first governor to appoint two black members in the same cabinet, a number that has been equaled but never surpassed.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoops!  Should have said &quot;prison and/or fines for those who do NOT &#039;shop&#039; LGBT persons to the authorities&quot; above.



(The &#039;you must be an informant&#039; clause was recommended for dumping by the Tashobya committee last May, but has not yet been dropped by the Ugandan Parliament.  The same committee KEPT death by hanging for some consensual acts, but just changed the words - probably in an effort to &#039;trick&#039; waverers who were not conversant with the implications of the wording proposed.)



As I have pointed out on this blog before (but think it is worth pointing again and again), Bahati himself has now allegedly admitted (to the New York Times) that he was &#039;inspired&#039; by white extremists in the USA (Bahati allegedly spoke of having been &#039;abandoned&#039; by many of them, having received encouragement and support in the early days of his slaughter project).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops!  Should have said &#8220;prison and/or fines for those who do NOT &#8216;shop&#8217; LGBT persons to the authorities&#8221; above.</p>
<p>(The &#8216;you must be an informant&#8217; clause was recommended for dumping by the Tashobya committee last May, but has not yet been dropped by the Ugandan Parliament.  The same committee KEPT death by hanging for some consensual acts, but just changed the words &#8211; probably in an effort to &#8216;trick&#8217; waverers who were not conversant with the implications of the wording proposed.)</p>
<p>As I have pointed out on this blog before (but think it is worth pointing again and again), Bahati himself has now allegedly admitted (to the New York Times) that he was &#8216;inspired&#8217; by white extremists in the USA (Bahati allegedly spoke of having been &#8216;abandoned&#8217; by many of them, having received encouragement and support in the early days of his slaughter project).</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Stephen



That is indeed what I have heard.  I was hoping that Lively would either confirm or deny this here on this blog, but he seems to have chosen to remain silent (which is perhaps understandable, given that he is now the object of legal action).



We should not forget the other atrocious aspects of the draft &#039;Bahati&#039; Bill that do not involve the hangman&#039;s noose (at least for the first so-called &#039;offence&#039;): prison and/or fines for those who speak up for the rights of LGBT people (a vicious attack on freedom of speech and assembly); prison and/or fines for those who do &#039;shop&#039; LGBT persons to the authorities; prison for those who are deemed to &#039;aid or abet homosexuality&#039; (this could mean friends, family, landlords, lawyers, ... linked with LGBT persons being sent to prison); etc.



(It appears that the Bill may have &#039;stalled&#039; yet again; the 45 days for the relevant parliamentary committee to produce its report is almost up, although perhaps there could be another &#039;push&#039; in the next few days ...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Stephen</p>
<p>That is indeed what I have heard.  I was hoping that Lively would either confirm or deny this here on this blog, but he seems to have chosen to remain silent (which is perhaps understandable, given that he is now the object of legal action).</p>
<p>We should not forget the other atrocious aspects of the draft &#8216;Bahati&#8217; Bill that do not involve the hangman&#8217;s noose (at least for the first so-called &#8216;offence&#8217;): prison and/or fines for those who speak up for the rights of LGBT people (a vicious attack on freedom of speech and assembly); prison and/or fines for those who do &#8216;shop&#8217; LGBT persons to the authorities; prison for those who are deemed to &#8216;aid or abet homosexuality&#8217; (this could mean friends, family, landlords, lawyers, &#8230; linked with LGBT persons being sent to prison); etc.</p>
<p>(It appears that the Bill may have &#8216;stalled&#8217; yet again; the 45 days for the relevant parliamentary committee to produce its report is almost up, although perhaps there could be another &#8216;push&#8217; in the next few days &#8230;)</p>
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