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	Comments on: Change.org petition asking Citibank and Barclays to condemn Uganda&#8217;s Anti-Homosexuality Bill now has over 20,000 signatures	</title>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/25/citibank/#comment-93810</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyway, why does &#039;Maazi&#039; call my citing Bahati &#039;gay propaganda&#039;?  I was only reporting what he has said ...



(Maybe &#039;Maazi&#039; feels that Bahati has gone &#039;off script&#039;, and is annoyed with him?  And I have this image of &#039;Maazi&#039; as a caged bird squawking &#039;gay propaganda, gay propaganda, gay propaganda&#039;!)



Here&#039;s some more on Bahati&#039;s chagrin:-



&#039; As for Mr. Bahati, orphaned at the age of 3 and until recently a relatively unknown politician, the past several years have been a roller-coaster-ride of emotions, from obscurity to fame and infamy. The American news media, he said, have shredded his reputation.



&#039; &quot;They really worked out on the word &#039;death,&#039; &quot; he said, referring to coverage of the bill&#039;s death penalty provision. &quot;We used to have friends in America, but most of them are now scared even to identify with us.&quot;



&#039; It was in the United States, Mr. Bahati contended, that he first became close with a group of influential social conservatives, including politicians, known as The Fellowship, which would later become a base of inspiration and technical support for the anti-homosexuality bill.



&#039; Mr. Bahati said the idea for the bill first sprang from a conversation with members of The Fellowship in 2008, because it was &quot;too late&quot; in America to propose such legislation. Now, he said, he feels abandoned.



&#039; &quot;In Africa we value friendship,&quot; Mr. Bahati said. &quot;But the West is different.&quot; &#039;



Of course, by &#039;friendship&#039;, Bahati means &#039;keep supporting me, even when I&#039;m being evil&#039;.  As for his &#039;reputation&#039;, Bahati himself was the prime &#039;shedder&#039; - he was greedy and stupid, and is now paying the price.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, why does &#8216;Maazi&#8217; call my citing Bahati &#8216;gay propaganda&#8217;?  I was only reporting what he has said &#8230;</p>
<p>(Maybe &#8216;Maazi&#8217; feels that Bahati has gone &#8216;off script&#8217;, and is annoyed with him?  And I have this image of &#8216;Maazi&#8217; as a caged bird squawking &#8216;gay propaganda, gay propaganda, gay propaganda&#8217;!)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some more on Bahati&#8217;s chagrin:-</p>
<p>&#8216; As for Mr. Bahati, orphaned at the age of 3 and until recently a relatively unknown politician, the past several years have been a roller-coaster-ride of emotions, from obscurity to fame and infamy. The American news media, he said, have shredded his reputation.</p>
<p>&#8216; &#8220;They really worked out on the word &#8216;death,&#8217; &#8221; he said, referring to coverage of the bill&#8217;s death penalty provision. &#8220;We used to have friends in America, but most of them are now scared even to identify with us.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216; It was in the United States, Mr. Bahati contended, that he first became close with a group of influential social conservatives, including politicians, known as The Fellowship, which would later become a base of inspiration and technical support for the anti-homosexuality bill.</p>
<p>&#8216; Mr. Bahati said the idea for the bill first sprang from a conversation with members of The Fellowship in 2008, because it was &#8220;too late&#8221; in America to propose such legislation. Now, he said, he feels abandoned.</p>
<p>&#8216; &#8220;In Africa we value friendship,&#8221; Mr. Bahati said. &#8220;But the West is different.&#8221; &#8216;</p>
<p>Of course, by &#8216;friendship&#8217;, Bahati means &#8216;keep supporting me, even when I&#8217;m being evil&#8217;.  As for his &#8216;reputation&#8217;, Bahati himself was the prime &#8216;shedder&#8217; &#8211; he was greedy and stupid, and is now paying the price.</p>
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		By: Michael Bussee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/25/citibank/#comment-93781</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bussee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The petition now has over 203,298 out of 300,000 signatures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The petition now has over 203,298 out of 300,000 signatures.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/25/citibank/#comment-93780</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frankly, &#039;Maazi&#039;, we won&#039;t be personally greatly affected either way.



If the Bill falls, we will be pleased for those whom the Bill is designed to persecute, and for Uganda generally.  If it goes through, the fact of its passage will be used to provide fresh impetus to the campaign against homophobia and for human rights.



The effects of the Bill will be - indeed are being - felt primarily by you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, &#8216;Maazi&#8217;, we won&#8217;t be personally greatly affected either way.</p>
<p>If the Bill falls, we will be pleased for those whom the Bill is designed to persecute, and for Uganda generally.  If it goes through, the fact of its passage will be used to provide fresh impetus to the campaign against homophobia and for human rights.</p>
<p>The effects of the Bill will be &#8211; indeed are being &#8211; felt primarily by you.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/25/citibank/#comment-93777</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(My point is that - when I make my case - I am able to use BAHATI&#039;S OWN WORDS to do it!  People like &#039;Maazi NCO MP&#039; have some serious thinking to do.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(My point is that &#8211; when I make my case &#8211; I am able to use BAHATI&#8217;S OWN WORDS to do it!  People like &#8216;Maazi NCO MP&#8217; have some serious thinking to do.)</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/25/citibank/#comment-90720</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So you say I&#039;m lying. Prove it! (I&#039;ve always provided evidence when I&#039;ve said that you&#039;ve been &#039;economical with the truth&#039;. But I know that &#039;providing evidence&#039; is not YOUR strong point!)&lt;/blockquote&gt;



What is there to prove?? It is obvious to sane people that the Bahati Bill has nothing to do with your imaginary White supremacists. The Bahati Bill is a &quot;made-in-Uganda&quot; product and now the indestructible property of a proud parliament.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So you say I&#8217;m lying. Prove it! (I&#8217;ve always provided evidence when I&#8217;ve said that you&#8217;ve been &#8216;economical with the truth&#8217;. But I know that &#8216;providing evidence&#8217; is not YOUR strong point!)</p></blockquote>
<p>What is there to prove?? It is obvious to sane people that the Bahati Bill has nothing to do with your imaginary White supremacists. The Bahati Bill is a &#8220;made-in-Uganda&#8221; product and now the indestructible property of a proud parliament.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/25/citibank/#comment-90723</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By the way, ECUSA has vested interest interest in sowing gay propaganda across the African continent. Therefore, your provision of a report written by an ECUSA clergyman of Zambian origin is not proof of anything serious. It is merely proof that there are a few Africans willing and happy to collaborate with Western hedonists]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, ECUSA has vested interest interest in sowing gay propaganda across the African continent. Therefore, your provision of a report written by an ECUSA clergyman of Zambian origin is not proof of anything serious. It is merely proof that there are a few Africans willing and happy to collaborate with Western hedonists</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/25/citibank/#comment-90716</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;A reminder of a comprehensive report by the Zambian priest, Father Kapya Kaoma, blah, blah, blah &lt;/blockquote&gt;



I have heard of this &quot;Reverend&quot; Kapya Kaoma. He is a Zambian clergyman affiliated to the pro-gay liberal political party  known as ECUSA (Ecumenical Church of USA). The man is merely contributing the usual token &quot;African Face&quot; to gay propganda churned out by Western hedonists. Nobody takes what he says seriously in the African Continent. 





&lt;blockquote&gt;It is of course in the interests of &#039;white supremacists&#039; to promote violence, hatred and division among Africans &#8211; classic &#039;divide and rule/exploit&#039; tactics&lt;/blockquote&gt;



This is gay propaganda at its worst. While you are at it, why not accuse Josef Stalin of rising from the dead to personally instruct David Bahati on how to write the anti-gay bill]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A reminder of a comprehensive report by the Zambian priest, Father Kapya Kaoma, blah, blah, blah </p></blockquote>
<p>I have heard of this &#8220;Reverend&#8221; Kapya Kaoma. He is a Zambian clergyman affiliated to the pro-gay liberal political party  known as ECUSA (Ecumenical Church of USA). The man is merely contributing the usual token &#8220;African Face&#8221; to gay propganda churned out by Western hedonists. Nobody takes what he says seriously in the African Continent. </p>
<blockquote><p>It is of course in the interests of &#8216;white supremacists&#8217; to promote violence, hatred and division among Africans &#8211; classic &#8216;divide and rule/exploit&#8217; tactics</p></blockquote>
<p>This is gay propaganda at its worst. While you are at it, why not accuse Josef Stalin of rising from the dead to personally instruct David Bahati on how to write the anti-gay bill</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/25/citibank/#comment-90718</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No response from &#039;Maazi NCO MP&#039;!  Now there&#039;s a surprise!  (Apologise for the sarcasm.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No response from &#8216;Maazi NCO MP&#8217;!  Now there&#8217;s a surprise!  (Apologise for the sarcasm.)</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/25/citibank/#comment-90719</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK - so he has responded ... with an &#039;evidence free&#039; statement based on assumption and supposition.  Still no surprise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; so he has responded &#8230; with an &#8216;evidence free&#8217; statement based on assumption and supposition.  Still no surprise.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/25/citibank/#comment-90722</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What evidence do you have that ECUSA &#039;has [a] vested interest in sowing gay propaganda across the African continent&#039;?  Are you able to point to specific activities that demonstrate this?  And why would they want to do specifically this?  Have they been &#039;selective&#039; when it comes to which bishops they support, and can you prove this?  (The Church of Uganda has actually turned down &#039;non-selective&#039; ECUSA support and chosen to rely on the &#039;selective&#039; support of their anti-gay &#039;friends&#039;, and this has impacted negatively on its financial position - so I&#039;m told by someone &#039;in the know&#039;.)



(You should also remember that asking for fair treatment of people regardless of their sexuality cannot be described as &#039;promoting gay propaganda&#039;.  It is simply &#039;asking for fair treatment&#039;.)



You see, it IS possible to point to the activities of people like Scott Lively in promoting anti-gay propaganda.  His activities in this regard are very well documented.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What evidence do you have that ECUSA &#8216;has [a] vested interest in sowing gay propaganda across the African continent&#8217;?  Are you able to point to specific activities that demonstrate this?  And why would they want to do specifically this?  Have they been &#8216;selective&#8217; when it comes to which bishops they support, and can you prove this?  (The Church of Uganda has actually turned down &#8216;non-selective&#8217; ECUSA support and chosen to rely on the &#8216;selective&#8217; support of their anti-gay &#8216;friends&#8217;, and this has impacted negatively on its financial position &#8211; so I&#8217;m told by someone &#8216;in the know&#8217;.)</p>
<p>(You should also remember that asking for fair treatment of people regardless of their sexuality cannot be described as &#8216;promoting gay propaganda&#8217;.  It is simply &#8216;asking for fair treatment&#8217;.)</p>
<p>You see, it IS possible to point to the activities of people like Scott Lively in promoting anti-gay propaganda.  His activities in this regard are very well documented.</p>
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