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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/16/uganda-law-society-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/#comment-85207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[You sound a little rattled, &#039;Maazi NCO MP&#039;!  (I think there may be more for you become &#039;rattled&#039; over on the way ...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound a little rattled, &#8216;Maazi NCO MP&#8217;!  (I think there may be more for you become &#8216;rattled&#8217; over on the way &#8230;)</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/16/uganda-law-society-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/#comment-60059</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;You sound a little rattled, ‘Maazi NCO MP’! (I think there may be more for you become ‘rattled’ over on the way …)&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Me rattled?? Ha, ha, ha, ha....I am confident that the ULS President is not speaking on behalf of majority of Ugandan lawyers. The other NGOs are also singing for their supper. These NGOs all receive generous funding from the West and therefore need to sing for the master. The Bahati Bill will be passed into law because it is backed by majority of Ugandans.



&lt;blockquote&gt;The ‘we-don’t-approve-of-homosexuality-but-we-approve-of-the-Bahati-Bill-even-less’ line is one I’ve heard from a considerable number of Ugandans with whom I’ve discussed the matter&lt;/blockquote&gt;



People who speak like that are engaging in double-talk. Saying nice things about gayism to westerners to continue receiving western donor funds. And then in private conversations with other Ugandans say the exact opposite thing



&lt;blockquote&gt;/2012/02/17/uganda-human-rights-coalition-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/&lt;/blockquote&gt;



So a bunch of Western-funded fringe NGOs in Kampala make some noise in favour of the foreign masters and MPs are supposed to take them seriously??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You sound a little rattled, ‘Maazi NCO MP’! (I think there may be more for you become ‘rattled’ over on the way …)</p></blockquote>
<p>Me rattled?? Ha, ha, ha, ha&#8230;.I am confident that the ULS President is not speaking on behalf of majority of Ugandan lawyers. The other NGOs are also singing for their supper. These NGOs all receive generous funding from the West and therefore need to sing for the master. The Bahati Bill will be passed into law because it is backed by majority of Ugandans.</p>
<blockquote><p>The ‘we-don’t-approve-of-homosexuality-but-we-approve-of-the-Bahati-Bill-even-less’ line is one I’ve heard from a considerable number of Ugandans with whom I’ve discussed the matter</p></blockquote>
<p>People who speak like that are engaging in double-talk. Saying nice things about gayism to westerners to continue receiving western donor funds. And then in private conversations with other Ugandans say the exact opposite thing</p>
<blockquote><p>/2012/02/17/uganda-human-rights-coalition-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/</p></blockquote>
<p>So a bunch of Western-funded fringe NGOs in Kampala make some noise in favour of the foreign masters and MPs are supposed to take them seriously??</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/16/uganda-law-society-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/#comment-60058</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thought so ...

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought so &#8230;</p>
<p>/2012/02/17/uganda-human-rights-coalition-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/16/uganda-law-society-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/#comment-85218</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;You sound a little rattled, &#039;Maazi NCO MP&#039;! (I think there may be more for you become &#039;rattled&#039; over on the way &#8230;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Me rattled?? Ha, ha, ha, ha....I am confident that the ULS President is not speaking on behalf of majority of Ugandan lawyers. The other NGOs are also singing for their supper. These NGOs all receive generous funding from the West and therefore need to sing for the master. The Bahati Bill will be passed into law because it is backed by majority of Ugandans.



&lt;blockquote&gt;The &#039;we-don&#039;t-approve-of-homosexuality-but-we-approve-of-the-Bahati-Bill-even-less&#039; line is one I&#039;ve heard from a considerable number of Ugandans with whom I&#039;ve discussed the matter&lt;/blockquote&gt;



People who speak like that are engaging in double-talk. Saying nice things about gayism to westerners to continue receiving western donor funds. And then in private conversations with other Ugandans say the exact opposite thing



&lt;blockquote&gt;/2012/02/17/uganda-human-rights-coalition-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/&lt;/blockquote&gt;



So a bunch of Western-funded fringe NGOs in Kampala make some noise in favour of the foreign masters and MPs are supposed to take them seriously??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You sound a little rattled, &#8216;Maazi NCO MP&#8217;! (I think there may be more for you become &#8216;rattled&#8217; over on the way &#8230;)</p></blockquote>
<p>Me rattled?? Ha, ha, ha, ha&#8230;.I am confident that the ULS President is not speaking on behalf of majority of Ugandan lawyers. The other NGOs are also singing for their supper. These NGOs all receive generous funding from the West and therefore need to sing for the master. The Bahati Bill will be passed into law because it is backed by majority of Ugandans.</p>
<blockquote><p>The &#8216;we-don&#8217;t-approve-of-homosexuality-but-we-approve-of-the-Bahati-Bill-even-less&#8217; line is one I&#8217;ve heard from a considerable number of Ugandans with whom I&#8217;ve discussed the matter</p></blockquote>
<p>People who speak like that are engaging in double-talk. Saying nice things about gayism to westerners to continue receiving western donor funds. And then in private conversations with other Ugandans say the exact opposite thing</p>
<blockquote><p>/2012/02/17/uganda-human-rights-coalition-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/</p></blockquote>
<p>So a bunch of Western-funded fringe NGOs in Kampala make some noise in favour of the foreign masters and MPs are supposed to take them seriously??</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/16/uganda-law-society-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/#comment-77476</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thought so ...

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought so &#8230;</p>
<p>/2012/02/17/uganda-human-rights-coalition-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(The &#039;we-don&#039;t-approve-of-homosexuality-but-we-approve-of-the-Bahati-Bill-even-less&#039; line is one I&#039;ve heard from a considerable number of Ugandans with whom I&#039;ve discussed the matter.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(The &#8216;we-don&#8217;t-approve-of-homosexuality-but-we-approve-of-the-Bahati-Bill-even-less&#8217; line is one I&#8217;ve heard from a considerable number of Ugandans with whom I&#8217;ve discussed the matter.)</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, I would agree that the Catholic Church&#039;s position on homosexuality per se is &#039;nuanced&#039;; its position on the Bahati Bill is NOT, and the Vatican Statement makes that very clear indeed.  Even Ab+p Lwanga said quite clearly that the Bill is &#039;unnecessary&#039;, and stated plainly that key aspects of the Bill are contrary to &#039;the core values of the Christian faith&#039;.  That&#039;s not &#039;nuanced&#039;!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I would agree that the Catholic Church&#8217;s position on homosexuality per se is &#8216;nuanced&#8217;; its position on the Bahati Bill is NOT, and the Vatican Statement makes that very clear indeed.  Even Ab+p Lwanga said quite clearly that the Bill is &#8216;unnecessary&#8217;, and stated plainly that key aspects of the Bill are contrary to &#8216;the core values of the Christian faith&#8217;.  That&#8217;s not &#8216;nuanced&#8217;!</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You sound a little rattled, &#039;Maazi NCO MP&#039;!  (I think there may be more for you become &#039;rattled&#039; over on the way ...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound a little rattled, &#8216;Maazi NCO MP&#8217;!  (I think there may be more for you become &#8216;rattled&#8217; over on the way &#8230;)</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/16/uganda-law-society-opposes-the-anti-homosexuality-bill/#comment-60054</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I received this statement earlier today. Obviously, Uganda’s lawyers have great reservations about the Bahati bill.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Not really. If all lawyers in Uganda were polled, a vast majority will come out in favour of a revised Bahati Bill. 



&lt;blockquote&gt;UGANDA LAW SOCIETY VIEWS ON THE ANTI HOMOSEXUALITY BILL



The Anti-Homosexuality Bill proposed to Parliament in 2009 would, if enacted into law, in its current state violate international human rights law and lead to further human rights violations.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Look more like the personal opinions of  James Mukasa Sebugenyi and couple of his close mates in the ULS.  Like I said previously, most Ugandan lawyers favour the anti-gay bill with appropriate revisions. Nevertheless, I am sure that Western donors will be impressed with the write-up including the dishonest quotation of African Charter on Human Rights. 



&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Of course, James doesn&#039;t tell his Western donor mates  that the African Charter he is quoting has explicit clauses restricting  individual rights and freedoms when they run contrary to common interests, morality and security. The Charter also speaks of  &quot;communal rights&quot; and the promotion of African culture above all else. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Archbishop Lwanga has also voiced concern, of course; in his comments in December 2009 he expressed concern about, among other things, hanging or imprisoning people simply because they are gay.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



The nuanced position of the Catholic church on gayism is well understood in the context of a Vatican being suffocated by the extreme pro-gay obssession of surrounding European nations. Uganda is not similarly surrounded by Europe and therefore there is no need for these nuances to be taken into account by our MPs. Besides, since when have gay sex propagandists respected the Catholic church&#039;s opinion on the immorality of gayism??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I received this statement earlier today. Obviously, Uganda’s lawyers have great reservations about the Bahati bill.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not really. If all lawyers in Uganda were polled, a vast majority will come out in favour of a revised Bahati Bill. </p>
<blockquote><p>UGANDA LAW SOCIETY VIEWS ON THE ANTI HOMOSEXUALITY BILL</p>
<p>The Anti-Homosexuality Bill proposed to Parliament in 2009 would, if enacted into law, in its current state violate international human rights law and lead to further human rights violations.</p>
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<p>Look more like the personal opinions of  James Mukasa Sebugenyi and couple of his close mates in the ULS.  Like I said previously, most Ugandan lawyers favour the anti-gay bill with appropriate revisions. Nevertheless, I am sure that Western donors will be impressed with the write-up including the dishonest quotation of African Charter on Human Rights. </p>
<p><b><i>Of course, James doesn&#8217;t tell his Western donor mates  that the African Charter he is quoting has explicit clauses restricting  individual rights and freedoms when they run contrary to common interests, morality and security. The Charter also speaks of  &#8220;communal rights&#8221; and the promotion of African culture above all else. </i></b></p>
<blockquote><p>Archbishop Lwanga has also voiced concern, of course; in his comments in December 2009 he expressed concern about, among other things, hanging or imprisoning people simply because they are gay.</p></blockquote>
<p>The nuanced position of the Catholic church on gayism is well understood in the context of a Vatican being suffocated by the extreme pro-gay obssession of surrounding European nations. Uganda is not similarly surrounded by Europe and therefore there is no need for these nuances to be taken into account by our MPs. Besides, since when have gay sex propagandists respected the Catholic church&#8217;s opinion on the immorality of gayism??</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(The &#039;we-don&#039;t-approve-of-homosexuality-but-we-approve-of-the-Bahati-Bill-even-less&#039; line is one I&#039;ve heard from a considerable number of Ugandans with whom I&#039;ve discussed the matter.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(The &#8216;we-don&#8217;t-approve-of-homosexuality-but-we-approve-of-the-Bahati-Bill-even-less&#8217; line is one I&#8217;ve heard from a considerable number of Ugandans with whom I&#8217;ve discussed the matter.)</p>
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