Repeatedly the thyme comes back to underlying anti-Americanism…that´s fine but let us not forget the instigators of most of the current Bahati anti-lgbt fear/hate campaign ARE American Fundamentalist Christians…

Gay Propaganda !!! The sponsors of the bill are 100% Ugandans and even before Bahati laid out his bill there were already plans by the government to further amend the Sexual Offenders Act (2000). Bahati merely pre-empted the government’s plans. But seeing the way things are at the moment, I have no doubt that the government will “categorically deny” ever considering amending the already existing penal code dealing with the abominable sex crime of gayism

I think I like Maazi’s way of thinking. If you want to crush something, just declare it to be a crime and then all your actions are justified

It was not down to me to declare it a sex crime. Even before I was conceived in the womb of my mother, gayism was already classified as a crime in both religious and non-religious countries. It was once a crime throughout Europe. It was a crime in many communist nations until around 1993. China maintained it as a crime until 1997. However, gayism remains a crime in more than 80 nations worldwide. In more than 100 nations across the world where gayism is officially not deemed a crime, there are severe restrictions on the ability of gay sex practitioners to engage in matrimony; serve in the military; donate their risky blood to hospitals; adopt children or even flaunt deviant behaviour in public. The European Union is pressuring Uganda to allow gayism run amock and yet it has several member-nations that have written constitutions permanently banning gay sex practitioners from the institution of marriage. At least one EU nation (Republic of Lithuania) have laws banning gay propaganda in addition to maintaining a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

Maazi, please provide us with your full name and address so that we can forward it on to Interpol.

Interpol ??? Please don’t make me laugh !!! Do you think that Interpol is an extension of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or Swedish Police Service or the Royal Canadian Mounted Police ??

I’m in no way anti-American. I simply defend ideals Americans themselves have maintained in bygone times. In those times, the U.S. saw themselves as a protector of the sovereignty of young nations against old Empires. The most famous case has been President Eisenhower’s support of Egypt against Britain and France in the Suez crisis – so blatantly different from President Obama’s conduct w.r.t. Libya.

Also, the United States have been the homeland of cultural anthropology and cultural realitivism – teaching that we can’t presuppose that all people on the earth are “like us” and so have to adapt our customs, and opposing Western missionarism and cultural imperialism.

I’m quite prepared to protect traditional male-male sex practices in Uganda against evangelical missionarism. But I won’t have that mixed with Western gay missionarism.

Christian missionaries have always been convinced that there are millions of lost souls over the ocean (“animae naturaliter christianae”) which are only waiting for westerners to come and resolve them. Gay missionarism, as described by Carol Ranney, seems based on a similar idea of lost gay souls. That’s possible, of course. But as we don’t know much about male-male sex in Uganda – and the mostly well informed Dr. Throckmorton hasn’t quoted any study about that matter! – I see no reason why male-male sex practitioners in Uganda should have much in common with Western gays (except those Ugandans which intentionally imitate Western customs and fashions).

Carol, I believe this is the same article that you linked before. This article is not a fair assessment of the state of current research. It is the attempt of one evangelical to create space for ex-gay organizations to claim that change of orientation is possible. The weaknesses of this article have been pointed out on other threads, and I am disappointed that you have not taken these criticisms more seriously.

If you are a supporter of the ex-gay movement, you also are supporting a kind of social enforcement that kills gays, only in this case by their own hand. Please reconsider.

This is the folly of the Bahati bill. Other societies have tried to stamp out one undesirable minority or another with the result that eventually more and more people come under the gun. Your children will be safe if you just enforce the laws you have.

I think you are being unduly alarmist here. Gayism is not a political or religious belief. It is simply a sex crime that needs to contained properly with adequate legislation. Yes, I agree that there is potential for police abuse. But then that is why we have the judiciary which has proven itself time and time again to be independent of government.

We cannot reject a bill becoming law for fear that somebody will become overzealous and abuse the provisions

After all, has the fear of executing an innocent person wrongly convicted of a crime he didn’t commit forced states in the USA to repeal laws on capital punishment?