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	Comments on: Ugandan MPs Cheer Introduction of Original Anti-gay Bill	</title>
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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/08/ugandan-mps-cheer-introduction-of-anti-gay-bill/#comment-94704</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 21:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kristen Rawls,



I have asked Maazi NCO to define &quot;gayism&quot; before - he described it as gay advocacy and with citations that were very generic and benign.  I also politely informed him it wasn&#039;t a word and not in the dictionary, so it has no real meaning, except, well, his own ;-)  I guess it is his world and we just live in it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen Rawls,</p>
<p>I have asked Maazi NCO to define &#8220;gayism&#8221; before &#8211; he described it as gay advocacy and with citations that were very generic and benign.  I also politely informed him it wasn&#8217;t a word and not in the dictionary, so it has no real meaning, except, well, his own 😉  I guess it is his world and we just live in it.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/08/ugandan-mps-cheer-introduction-of-anti-gay-bill/#comment-91285</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; I also politely informed him it wasn&#039;t a word and not in the dictionary, so it has no real meaning, except, well, his own  I guess it is his world and we just live in it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



The word &quot;gayism&quot; is widely used across English-speaking african nations. Here in Uganda, it is mainstream and has featured in judgements issued by law courts.



.&lt;blockquote&gt;

Anonymous Coward&#039; and &#039;Maazi NCO MP&#039; would make a most suitable (same-sex?) couple &#8230; and it would save FOUR people being unhappy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Is that the response of Her Majesty&#039;s FCO to the comment I made about Uganda Parliament&#039;s determination never to allow Baby-Faced Cameron or Barry-Barry Obama to veto our ability to freely debate any bill in our own sovereign nation? .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I also politely informed him it wasn&#8217;t a word and not in the dictionary, so it has no real meaning, except, well, his own  I guess it is his world and we just live in it.</p></blockquote>
<p>The word &#8220;gayism&#8221; is widely used across English-speaking african nations. Here in Uganda, it is mainstream and has featured in judgements issued by law courts.</p>
<p>.</p>
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<p>Anonymous Coward&#8217; and &#8216;Maazi NCO MP&#8217; would make a most suitable (same-sex?) couple &#8230; and it would save FOUR people being unhappy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is that the response of Her Majesty&#8217;s FCO to the comment I made about Uganda Parliament&#8217;s determination never to allow Baby-Faced Cameron or Barry-Barry Obama to veto our ability to freely debate any bill in our own sovereign nation? .</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/08/ugandan-mps-cheer-introduction-of-anti-gay-bill/#comment-91290</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;Anonymous Coward&#039; and &#039;Maazi NCO MP&#039; would make a most suitable (same-sex?) couple ... and it would save FOUR people being unhappy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Anonymous Coward&#8217; and &#8216;Maazi NCO MP&#8217; would make a most suitable (same-sex?) couple &#8230; and it would save FOUR people being unhappy.</p>
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		By: Carol A Ranney		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/08/ugandan-mps-cheer-introduction-of-anti-gay-bill/#comment-86954</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carol A Ranney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a lot to be gained by spewing wrath and threats on Uganda and their government, their leaders, or their governmental process.  There are plenty of countries in the world with laws we don&#039;t agree with and wouldn&#039;t tolerate for ourselves--and I&#039;m sure the Ugandans feel the same way about some of our laws.  Mutual respect and rational discussion go a lot further than name-calling and the like to further the cause of worldwide human rights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a lot to be gained by spewing wrath and threats on Uganda and their government, their leaders, or their governmental process.  There are plenty of countries in the world with laws we don&#8217;t agree with and wouldn&#8217;t tolerate for ourselves&#8211;and I&#8217;m sure the Ugandans feel the same way about some of our laws.  Mutual respect and rational discussion go a lot further than name-calling and the like to further the cause of worldwide human rights.</p>
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		By: Grace		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/08/ugandan-mps-cheer-introduction-of-anti-gay-bill/#comment-86958</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For your reads



http://www.mediacentre.go.ug/details.php?catId=3&#038;item=1564



We need to understand that much as this whole Homosexuality Bill has run over aboard on the international scene: whose values are to be  tanished? is it to you in USA or Uganda?



What so we Ugandan people want?

Definately, we have our costitutional rights so who then needs previllege rights?



Are we saying that the Homosexuals are as well handcapped? what point are we making?



I also hear that the Gay bill in Usa has been passed with no support from the republicans and yet still remains to be vented!http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/nyregion/veto-awaits-new-jersey-bill-allowing-gays-to-wed.html?scp=2&#038;sq=gay%20rights/16th%20/feb/2012&#038;st=cse



Issues of morality, do the gay activists ever talk about the ricrutment issues that have been posed against them? No!

All i have heard is right and want of rights? But who is comdemning the young children or other young people who are getting lured in the act because of gifts among others?



I think we have more pressin gissues at hand to start debating about private matters?



I think the international community should show some respect to Africa!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For your reads</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediacentre.go.ug/details.php?catId=3&#038;item=1564" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.mediacentre.go.ug/details.php?catId=3&#038;item=1564</a></p>
<p>We need to understand that much as this whole Homosexuality Bill has run over aboard on the international scene: whose values are to be  tanished? is it to you in USA or Uganda?</p>
<p>What so we Ugandan people want?</p>
<p>Definately, we have our costitutional rights so who then needs previllege rights?</p>
<p>Are we saying that the Homosexuals are as well handcapped? what point are we making?</p>
<p>I also hear that the Gay bill in Usa has been passed with no support from the republicans and yet still remains to be vented!<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/nyregion/veto-awaits-new-jersey-bill-allowing-gays-to-wed.html?scp=2&#038;sq=gay%20rights/16th%20/feb/2012&#038;st=cse" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/nyregion/veto-awaits-new-jersey-bill-allowing-gays-to-wed.html?scp=2&#038;sq=gay%20rights/16th%20/feb/2012&#038;st=cse</a></p>
<p>Issues of morality, do the gay activists ever talk about the ricrutment issues that have been posed against them? No!</p>
<p>All i have heard is right and want of rights? But who is comdemning the young children or other young people who are getting lured in the act because of gifts among others?</p>
<p>I think we have more pressin gissues at hand to start debating about private matters?</p>
<p>I think the international community should show some respect to Africa!</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/08/ugandan-mps-cheer-introduction-of-anti-gay-bill/#comment-86946</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Grace



We know that there are sensible (NRM and other) politicians in Kampala who do not want the Bahati Bill, and respect that.



I agree that there are &#039;more pressing issues&#039; than &#039;seeking out and destroying&#039; law-abiding Ugandans who happen to be gay.



There is no real evidence that &#039;gay activists&#039; systematically &#039;recruit&#039; children (the Opposition MP who frequently visits this blog was never able to provide evidence of the &#039;recruitment&#039; he claimed was taking place).  One or two former &#039;gay activists&#039; said that there had been &#039;recruitment&#039; ... then it turned out that they had been paid by certain &#039;pastors&#039; to say that!  It is also the case - as I&#039;m sure you know - that nearly all &#039;luring&#039; is of young girls by &#039;straight&#039; men (remember the scandal of the 40,000+ schoolgirls: http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/12/642443).



Bills like the Bahati Bill pose a threat to the constitutional rights of all Ugandans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Grace</p>
<p>We know that there are sensible (NRM and other) politicians in Kampala who do not want the Bahati Bill, and respect that.</p>
<p>I agree that there are &#8216;more pressing issues&#8217; than &#8216;seeking out and destroying&#8217; law-abiding Ugandans who happen to be gay.</p>
<p>There is no real evidence that &#8216;gay activists&#8217; systematically &#8216;recruit&#8217; children (the Opposition MP who frequently visits this blog was never able to provide evidence of the &#8216;recruitment&#8217; he claimed was taking place).  One or two former &#8216;gay activists&#8217; said that there had been &#8216;recruitment&#8217; &#8230; then it turned out that they had been paid by certain &#8216;pastors&#8217; to say that!  It is also the case &#8211; as I&#8217;m sure you know &#8211; that nearly all &#8216;luring&#8217; is of young girls by &#8216;straight&#8217; men (remember the scandal of the 40,000+ schoolgirls: <a href="http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/12/642443" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/12/642443</a>).</p>
<p>Bills like the Bahati Bill pose a threat to the constitutional rights of all Ugandans.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/08/ugandan-mps-cheer-introduction-of-anti-gay-bill/#comment-86947</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, &#039;Maazi NCO&#039; - I suspect that HMG&#039;s response (whatever it turns out to be) will be rather less humorous.



I notice that &#039;Maazi NCO MP&#039; is engaging in sophistry over the death penalty aspect (the quick version - i.e. death by hanging - not the slightly slower version - i.e. by labelled a &#039;homo&#039; and thrown in with a bunch of common criminals).  His reference to WMD was also ill-judged: as he said, they weren&#039;t there ... but the Bahati Bill, complete with death penalty (quick version) for consensual sex or repeated peaceful expressions of dissent, IS there!



Tashobya left the (quick version of the) death penalty firmly in place; he merely changed the wording.  (It took about ten seconds to work out what had been done.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, &#8216;Maazi NCO&#8217; &#8211; I suspect that HMG&#8217;s response (whatever it turns out to be) will be rather less humorous.</p>
<p>I notice that &#8216;Maazi NCO MP&#8217; is engaging in sophistry over the death penalty aspect (the quick version &#8211; i.e. death by hanging &#8211; not the slightly slower version &#8211; i.e. by labelled a &#8216;homo&#8217; and thrown in with a bunch of common criminals).  His reference to WMD was also ill-judged: as he said, they weren&#8217;t there &#8230; but the Bahati Bill, complete with death penalty (quick version) for consensual sex or repeated peaceful expressions of dissent, IS there!</p>
<p>Tashobya left the (quick version of the) death penalty firmly in place; he merely changed the wording.  (It took about ten seconds to work out what had been done.)</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The word &quot;gayism&quot; is widely used across English-speaking african nations. Here in Uganda, it is mainstream and has featured in judgements issued by law courts.



Mazzi NCO,



It might be used, however, no one knows what it means.  Sad to know English speaking African nations and the courts in Uganda would use and apply a word that has no acceptable meaning, especially when it comes to determining whether an individual should live or die or serve a jail sentence.  More than sad, it is unacceptable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8220;gayism&#8221; is widely used across English-speaking african nations. Here in Uganda, it is mainstream and has featured in judgements issued by law courts.</p>
<p>Mazzi NCO,</p>
<p>It might be used, however, no one knows what it means.  Sad to know English speaking African nations and the courts in Uganda would use and apply a word that has no acceptable meaning, especially when it comes to determining whether an individual should live or die or serve a jail sentence.  More than sad, it is unacceptable.</p>
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		By: Maazi NCO		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2012/02/08/ugandan-mps-cheer-introduction-of-anti-gay-bill/#comment-84925</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maazi NCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Maazi&#039; is a &quot;Bahati-lackey&#039;. And he won&#039;t even tell us his real name (though I might know what it is &#8211; but am not prepared to &#039;out&#039; people on this blog, although I have dropped hints about his identity).&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I am nobody&#039;s lackey. Unless if you are saying that the hundreds of MPs who solidly back the anti-gay bill are all Bahati lackeys. 





&lt;blockquote&gt;Several months ago, I asked &#039;Maazi&#039; why he supported criminalizing activities (e.g. oral sex) for gay people when they were not to be criminalized for straight people &#8211; a perfectly logical, reasonable question. He was not prepared to respond in a reasonable manner. He has also directed very dirty comments at me personally, for example saying that I wish to come to Uganda to sexually exploit young people, and going on incessantly about &#039;anal sex&#039;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Trying to obfuscate facts to justify your uncouth behaviour??





&lt;blockquote&gt;So, Carol, I will not take lectures from you or anybody else on how to address the rude, nasty, cowardly and contemptible behaviour of &#039;Maazi NCO&#039;. Is that understood?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I understand that you are pissed off that Her Majesty&#039;s FCO which you have leaned on heavily---- reporting everything we discuss on this blog----is powerless to impose your desires on the Ugandan people. I asked you a question in 2010 and repeated it again several time in 2011. That question was-----&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;For how long did you think that the imperialist powers will be able to use the executive branch of the Ugandan State as a buffer against the democratic aspirations of the Ugandan people as represented by our parliament &quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;



I am still waiting for your answer, two years on.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maazi&#8217; is a &#8220;Bahati-lackey&#8217;. And he won&#8217;t even tell us his real name (though I might know what it is &#8211; but am not prepared to &#8216;out&#8217; people on this blog, although I have dropped hints about his identity).</p></blockquote>
<p>I am nobody&#8217;s lackey. Unless if you are saying that the hundreds of MPs who solidly back the anti-gay bill are all Bahati lackeys. </p>
<blockquote><p>Several months ago, I asked &#8216;Maazi&#8217; why he supported criminalizing activities (e.g. oral sex) for gay people when they were not to be criminalized for straight people &#8211; a perfectly logical, reasonable question. He was not prepared to respond in a reasonable manner. He has also directed very dirty comments at me personally, for example saying that I wish to come to Uganda to sexually exploit young people, and going on incessantly about &#8216;anal sex&#8217;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Trying to obfuscate facts to justify your uncouth behaviour??</p>
<blockquote><p>So, Carol, I will not take lectures from you or anybody else on how to address the rude, nasty, cowardly and contemptible behaviour of &#8216;Maazi NCO&#8217;. Is that understood?</p></blockquote>
<p>I understand that you are pissed off that Her Majesty&#8217;s FCO which you have leaned on heavily&#8212;- reporting everything we discuss on this blog&#8212;-is powerless to impose your desires on the Ugandan people. I asked you a question in 2010 and repeated it again several time in 2011. That question was&#8212;&#8211;<b><i>&#8220;For how long did you think that the imperialist powers will be able to use the executive branch of the Ugandan State as a buffer against the democratic aspirations of the Ugandan people as represented by our parliament &#8220;</i></b></p>
<p>I am still waiting for your answer, two years on&#8230;..</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ummmm, Maazi, if you don&#039;t care what Westerners think, why do you spend so much time on this website?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmm, Maazi, if you don&#8217;t care what Westerners think, why do you spend so much time on this website?</p>
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