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	Comments on: Thoughts on NARTH&#8217;s statement on sexual orientation change	</title>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;In any event, it is good that the writer of this statement acknowledges that religious mediation is different than therapy. Now, if only they would stop offering Jones and Yarhouse as evidence that therapy works.&lt;/i&gt;



You mean &quot;Ex-Gays?: A Longitudinal Study of &lt;b&gt;Religiously Mediated&lt;/b&gt; Change in Sexual Orientation&quot;?  yeah, I can see how that would not make much sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In any event, it is good that the writer of this statement acknowledges that religious mediation is different than therapy. Now, if only they would stop offering Jones and Yarhouse as evidence that therapy works.</i></p>
<p>You mean &#8220;Ex-Gays?: A Longitudinal Study of <b>Religiously Mediated</b> Change in Sexual Orientation&#8221;?  yeah, I can see how that would not make much sense.</p>
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		By: JCF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JCF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David,



If I&#039;m not mistaken, it&#039;s actual Christian love which brings you this very website (though Warren&#039;s motivations are his own business, of course).



The sort of &quot;Christians&quot; associated w/ NARTH are better known by the term &lt;i&gt;Christianists&lt;/i&gt; [Andrew Sullivan&#039;s term, to compare the similar relationship of regular Muslims to Islamicists (i.e., hate-filled fundamentalists)]



I am a Christian who confronts the Christianists *constantly* (lovingly, I hope. Jesus is my role model). Christianists have wounded so many, but there are those of us trying to show them the Christ-like way---&quot;Change is Possible!&quot; (so to speak)---or at least protect you from them if they don&#039;t change. Peace---and Jesus&#039;s Queer Love---be with you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken, it&#8217;s actual Christian love which brings you this very website (though Warren&#8217;s motivations are his own business, of course).</p>
<p>The sort of &#8220;Christians&#8221; associated w/ NARTH are better known by the term <i>Christianists</i> [Andrew Sullivan&#8217;s term, to compare the similar relationship of regular Muslims to Islamicists (i.e., hate-filled fundamentalists)]</p>
<p>I am a Christian who confronts the Christianists *constantly* (lovingly, I hope. Jesus is my role model). Christianists have wounded so many, but there are those of us trying to show them the Christ-like way&#8212;&#8220;Change is Possible!&#8221; (so to speak)&#8212;or at least protect you from them if they don&#8217;t change. Peace&#8212;and Jesus&#8217;s Queer Love&#8212;be with you.</p>
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		By: Norm!		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Warren, for sharing some insight regarding developing studies.  I&#039;ve never quite bought the excuse that there&#039;s no money to fund studies from NARTH (and until recently Exodus).  Regardless of their conservative/religious motivations, it seem any organization claiming help others would want to study what is actually effective and ineffective.  



Sadly, the lack of studies confirms that these groups are more interested in reaffirming their predetermined conclusions than actually helping people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Warren, for sharing some insight regarding developing studies.  I&#8217;ve never quite bought the excuse that there&#8217;s no money to fund studies from NARTH (and until recently Exodus).  Regardless of their conservative/religious motivations, it seem any organization claiming help others would want to study what is actually effective and ineffective.  </p>
<p>Sadly, the lack of studies confirms that these groups are more interested in reaffirming their predetermined conclusions than actually helping people.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Kincaid]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Micheal



&lt;i&gt;Perhaps Jones and Yarhouse could ask them to refrain from doing this &#8212; if they have not already done so.&lt;/i&gt;



Well, so far, when any researcher says &quot;stop misstating and distorting my work&quot;, NARTH&#039;s response has been to attack the researcher.  But maybe they won&#039;t this time.  (Oh, hey, was that a pig that just flew by?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal</p>
<p><i>Perhaps Jones and Yarhouse could ask them to refrain from doing this &#8212; if they have not already done so.</i></p>
<p>Well, so far, when any researcher says &#8220;stop misstating and distorting my work&#8221;, NARTH&#8217;s response has been to attack the researcher.  But maybe they won&#8217;t this time.  (Oh, hey, was that a pig that just flew by?)</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;On the subject of research, I am highly skeptical that NARTH really wants to do the type of study that would really address questions about change related to therapy.&quot;



I agree.  The &quot;we don&#039;t have funding to do research&quot; is just the latest excuse from NARTH about why they have never lived up to the Research (the R in NARTH) part of their name.   Previously, they complained that the pro-gay bias in academia prevented them from publishing.  Now they are blaming a lack of funding.   And soon it will be bias in the NIH, NIMH and APA is preventing them from getting research grants.  



If NARTH had actually come up with an honest proposal to actually study the effects of their therapies (and not something designed to give the results they want), &lt;strong&gt;I&lt;/strong&gt; would be willing to kick in a few bucks to support the study.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On the subject of research, I am highly skeptical that NARTH really wants to do the type of study that would really address questions about change related to therapy.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree.  The &#8220;we don&#8217;t have funding to do research&#8221; is just the latest excuse from NARTH about why they have never lived up to the Research (the R in NARTH) part of their name.   Previously, they complained that the pro-gay bias in academia prevented them from publishing.  Now they are blaming a lack of funding.   And soon it will be bias in the NIH, NIMH and APA is preventing them from getting research grants.  </p>
<p>If NARTH had actually come up with an honest proposal to actually study the effects of their therapies (and not something designed to give the results they want), <strong>I</strong> would be willing to kick in a few bucks to support the study.</p>
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