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	Comments on: Rick and Kay Warren condemn the denial of link between HIV and AIDS as promoted by the AFA&#8217;s Bryan Fischer	</title>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Richard Wilmer

&lt;blockquote&gt;I know little about the genetic and/or hormonal basis of the phenomenon of transgender / transsexual / intersex identities (though I am aware that these are different), but am interested, partly because a very close friend of mine is a transgendered woman, and &#8211; from talking to her &#8211; I have become aware of the deficiencies of English and Welsh law with regard to people who are transgendered. Perhaps you could direct me to some relevant research in this field.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Try this collection.



http://aebrain.blogspot.com/p/reference-works-on-transsexual-and.html



Not so much on identities, just the biology.



As regards my own situation - it&#039;s a little different from the usual. I belong in the same broad category as those with 5ARD or 17BHDD syndrome, I have the 3BHDD form of Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia.



Which all can involve being born looking like one sex, but changing to look like the other. This can either cause or cure the same symptoms as transsexuality, depending on the neuro-anatomy (which remains mostly invariant - only the parts affected by hormonal levels change).



5ARD and 17BHDD can cause FtoM changes. 3BHDD and a few other syndromes can cause changes either way.



See http://www.usrf.org/news/010308-guevedoces.html for examples of 5ARD.



Such people cause severe problems to the legal system. Changing sex by artificial means is barely tolerated by the law; to do it naturally is far worse.



See http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/17/gaza.gender.id/ - that&#039;s 17BHDD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard Wilmer</p>
<blockquote><p>I know little about the genetic and/or hormonal basis of the phenomenon of transgender / transsexual / intersex identities (though I am aware that these are different), but am interested, partly because a very close friend of mine is a transgendered woman, and &#8211; from talking to her &#8211; I have become aware of the deficiencies of English and Welsh law with regard to people who are transgendered. Perhaps you could direct me to some relevant research in this field.</p></blockquote>
<p>Try this collection.</p>
<p><a href="http://aebrain.blogspot.com/p/reference-works-on-transsexual-and.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://aebrain.blogspot.com/p/reference-works-on-transsexual-and.html</a></p>
<p>Not so much on identities, just the biology.</p>
<p>As regards my own situation &#8211; it&#8217;s a little different from the usual. I belong in the same broad category as those with 5ARD or 17BHDD syndrome, I have the 3BHDD form of Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia.</p>
<p>Which all can involve being born looking like one sex, but changing to look like the other. This can either cause or cure the same symptoms as transsexuality, depending on the neuro-anatomy (which remains mostly invariant &#8211; only the parts affected by hormonal levels change).</p>
<p>5ARD and 17BHDD can cause FtoM changes. 3BHDD and a few other syndromes can cause changes either way.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.usrf.org/news/010308-guevedoces.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.usrf.org/news/010308-guevedoces.html</a> for examples of 5ARD.</p>
<p>Such people cause severe problems to the legal system. Changing sex by artificial means is barely tolerated by the law; to do it naturally is far worse.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/17/gaza.gender.id/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/17/gaza.gender.id/</a> &#8211; that&#8217;s 17BHDD.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suspect that a relatively small proportion of Christians in Britain today would buy the &#039;biblical inerrancy&#039; line: for example, the story of the Flood is not generally understood to be representing historical &#039;fact&#039;.  (There is another issue with biblical interpretation, and that concerns the meaning of - particularly OT - passages.  Take the story of the Flood: it suggests that God dealt with the fact that &#039;it had all gone wrong&#039; by wiping the slate clean and starting again.  However, the Gospels make clear that this is NOT how God deals with &#039;things going wrong&#039;.  One function of many OT stories is to show us how God and his ways should NOT be understood, and this is why these stories are &#039;instructive&#039; [cf. 2 Tim 3 : 16].  The writers of those stories had their &#039;theories&#039; about God; those ideas were often &#039;corrected&#039; by the core message of the NT.  A good eucharistic Lectionary will often, for a particularly day, provide seemingly contradictory passages from each of the OT, or sometimes the NT, and the Gospels ... a passage from the Gospels must always be there, of course, otherwise the Mass is invalid!)



I believe that the scientific and theological paradigms have much in common.  I remember when I was engaged full time in scientific research: I often had a sense of looking at things I knew I could never fully understand.  (Specifically with regard to HIV-AIDS, the corpus of evidence indicating the generally-accepted relationship between to the two is so overwhelming, that questioning the link seems utterly pointless; better by far to focus on how to beat the HIV pandemic, and how best to respond to those living with HIV and AIDS, both with regard to their well-being, and the well-being of others.)



I know little about the genetic and/or hormonal basis of the phenomenon of transgender / transsexual / intersex identities (though I am aware that these are different), but am interested, partly because a very close friend of mine is a transgendered woman, and - from talking to her - I have become aware of the deficiencies of English and Welsh law with regard to people who are transgendered.  Perhaps you could direct me to some relevant research in this field.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that a relatively small proportion of Christians in Britain today would buy the &#8216;biblical inerrancy&#8217; line: for example, the story of the Flood is not generally understood to be representing historical &#8216;fact&#8217;.  (There is another issue with biblical interpretation, and that concerns the meaning of &#8211; particularly OT &#8211; passages.  Take the story of the Flood: it suggests that God dealt with the fact that &#8216;it had all gone wrong&#8217; by wiping the slate clean and starting again.  However, the Gospels make clear that this is NOT how God deals with &#8216;things going wrong&#8217;.  One function of many OT stories is to show us how God and his ways should NOT be understood, and this is why these stories are &#8216;instructive&#8217; [cf. 2 Tim 3 : 16].  The writers of those stories had their &#8216;theories&#8217; about God; those ideas were often &#8216;corrected&#8217; by the core message of the NT.  A good eucharistic Lectionary will often, for a particularly day, provide seemingly contradictory passages from each of the OT, or sometimes the NT, and the Gospels &#8230; a passage from the Gospels must always be there, of course, otherwise the Mass is invalid!)</p>
<p>I believe that the scientific and theological paradigms have much in common.  I remember when I was engaged full time in scientific research: I often had a sense of looking at things I knew I could never fully understand.  (Specifically with regard to HIV-AIDS, the corpus of evidence indicating the generally-accepted relationship between to the two is so overwhelming, that questioning the link seems utterly pointless; better by far to focus on how to beat the HIV pandemic, and how best to respond to those living with HIV and AIDS, both with regard to their well-being, and the well-being of others.)</p>
<p>I know little about the genetic and/or hormonal basis of the phenomenon of transgender / transsexual / intersex identities (though I am aware that these are different), but am interested, partly because a very close friend of mine is a transgendered woman, and &#8211; from talking to her &#8211; I have become aware of the deficiencies of English and Welsh law with regard to people who are transgendered.  Perhaps you could direct me to some relevant research in this field.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Zoe



I would say that I don&#039;t know enough about &#039;Evangelical academe&#039; to comment intelligently on your contentions in their regard.  I&#039;m not an Evangelical myself (rather I&#039;m someone towards the liberal end of the Anglo-Catholic spectrum), and I&#039;m British (and we don&#039;t tend to have &#039;religious&#039; universities, as they are mostly &#039;regulated&#039; by the State).



Of course, I entirely agree with your comments on Warren&#039;s integrity!  (Incidentally, integrity is always more important than [alleged] &#039;rightness&#039; or &#039;wrongness&#039;, since all human judgements about &#039;right&#039; and &#039;wrong&#039; are ultimately relative and proximate, whereas integrity is always truthful.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Zoe</p>
<p>I would say that I don&#8217;t know enough about &#8216;Evangelical academe&#8217; to comment intelligently on your contentions in their regard.  I&#8217;m not an Evangelical myself (rather I&#8217;m someone towards the liberal end of the Anglo-Catholic spectrum), and I&#8217;m British (and we don&#8217;t tend to have &#8216;religious&#8217; universities, as they are mostly &#8216;regulated&#8217; by the State).</p>
<p>Of course, I entirely agree with your comments on Warren&#8217;s integrity!  (Incidentally, integrity is always more important than [alleged] &#8216;rightness&#8217; or &#8216;wrongness&#8217;, since all human judgements about &#8216;right&#8217; and &#8216;wrong&#8217; are ultimately relative and proximate, whereas integrity is always truthful.)</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW I&#039;m in Australia, and was born in the UK. First church I attended was one of the few Baptist congregations in the UK in the 60&#039;s, and later, I was a choirboy in ruff and surplice in a High Church Anglican congregation. 



I used to top the class at Bible Study. Even at 7 though, the differences between what the Bible said, and what I observed through a telescope were enough to make me a sceptic. I&#039;d read it, you see. All of it. I didn&#039;t understand much of it, the pornographic nature of Judges 19 for example, but I understood enough to know that my teachers were telling porkies about &quot;biblical inerrancy&quot;. 



 I was the kid who got utterly filthy at age 4 verifying  that no way could Santa descend from a chimney by climbing into the fireplace and having a look for myself.



It was only later in life that I discovered that amidst the superstitious nonsense and &quot;fairy stories&quot; there was much wisdom and true good.



I have continuing issues with the UK government BTW, and UK law. Biologically, I&#039;m Intersex, but more F than M. My UK Birth Certificate says &quot;boy&quot; as that&#039;s what I most looked like at birth. My UK passport says &quot;F&quot;, not just based  on appearance, but medical data.



I always identified as female - but hated having to wear a surplice , as I thought it made me look effeminate. I was terrified at the prospect of my secret - &quot;girl with boy body&quot; - being found out. OK, I&#039;m not technically Transsexual (a diagnosis of Intersex precludes that - which is why I can&#039;t get a Gender Recognition Certificate and consequent Birth Certificate change), but yes, Gender Dysphoria starts screwing kids up well before age 10. 



Even if you&#039;re a biological female with the 3-beta-hydroxysteroid-dehydrogenase deficient form of congenital adrenal hyperplasia, so the male appearance is partial and (sometimes, rarely) temporary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW I&#8217;m in Australia, and was born in the UK. First church I attended was one of the few Baptist congregations in the UK in the 60&#8217;s, and later, I was a choirboy in ruff and surplice in a High Church Anglican congregation. </p>
<p>I used to top the class at Bible Study. Even at 7 though, the differences between what the Bible said, and what I observed through a telescope were enough to make me a sceptic. I&#8217;d read it, you see. All of it. I didn&#8217;t understand much of it, the pornographic nature of Judges 19 for example, but I understood enough to know that my teachers were telling porkies about &#8220;biblical inerrancy&#8221;. </p>
<p> I was the kid who got utterly filthy at age 4 verifying  that no way could Santa descend from a chimney by climbing into the fireplace and having a look for myself.</p>
<p>It was only later in life that I discovered that amidst the superstitious nonsense and &#8220;fairy stories&#8221; there was much wisdom and true good.</p>
<p>I have continuing issues with the UK government BTW, and UK law. Biologically, I&#8217;m Intersex, but more F than M. My UK Birth Certificate says &#8220;boy&#8221; as that&#8217;s what I most looked like at birth. My UK passport says &#8220;F&#8221;, not just based  on appearance, but medical data.</p>
<p>I always identified as female &#8211; but hated having to wear a surplice , as I thought it made me look effeminate. I was terrified at the prospect of my secret &#8211; &#8220;girl with boy body&#8221; &#8211; being found out. OK, I&#8217;m not technically Transsexual (a diagnosis of Intersex precludes that &#8211; which is why I can&#8217;t get a Gender Recognition Certificate and consequent Birth Certificate change), but yes, Gender Dysphoria starts screwing kids up well before age 10. </p>
<p>Even if you&#8217;re a biological female with the 3-beta-hydroxysteroid-dehydrogenase deficient form of congenital adrenal hyperplasia, so the male appearance is partial and (sometimes, rarely) temporary.</p>
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		By: Timothy Kincaid		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the last time I heard the term &quot;mind-opening&quot; it was from a proponent of LSD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the last time I heard the term &#8220;mind-opening&#8221; it was from a proponent of LSD.</p>
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