Comments on: Alan Chambers to be part of a panel at Gay Christian Network conference

By: Dave

Dave — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:05:34 +0000

Yes Michael .. I realized you weren’t there once I talked to Kathy ..

Don’t have time to comment on this right now .

God bless,

Dave

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:05:34 +0000

Just in from the panel discussion: John Smid: “I have been afraid to say I am gay. What will THEY say? What will my wife say? What will her friends say? So I walk with tremendous fear….but the truth is “I am gay”.

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:05:34 +0000

From the audio:

Alan claims he’s been “clear” and “up front” about “change”. My he goes on to say, “The majority of the people I have met (and by majority I mean 99.9 % of them) have not changed their orientation…We’re not using ‘change is possible’ as a slogan any more…I can’t be any clearer about that…”

Wendy Gritter challenges Alan on this: “Alan, what about the fact that there is so much baggage about that slogan…? I would wager that 99.9% of people associate it with orientation change…Has there been an apology for using the phrase? There’s been 30 years of history in using it.”

Alan: “That’s something that we are very, very sorry about.”

By: Dave

Dave — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:05:34 +0000

Michael .. I didn’t know you were here at the conference. Not sure how I feel about it yet. (probably a bit dissappointed but I need time to digest all of this)

Dave

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:05:34 +0000

Math problem: Compare Alan Chambers’ admission this weekend that “99.9 % have not changed their orientation” with his previous claim the he is “one of tens of thousands of people whom have successfully changed their sexual orientation.” Something doesn’t add up.

http://www.narth.com/docs/chambers.html

By: Michael Bussee

Michael Bussee — Wed, 30 May 2018 18:05:34 +0000

Dave, I was not there. I was sharing comments transcribed by Kathy Verbiest Baldock who was there and was blogging live. It seems clear from her reports that Alan had no intention of setting the record straight about “change” — in spite of many requests that he do so.

If my comment (above) seems harsh, it is because I am very frustrated that Alan seems so unwilling to do what many (including Dr. Throckmorton) have urged him to do — to stop spreading a distorted narrative about “change”. The dishonesty has done great harm to many.

By: Warren

Warren — Wed, 30 May 2018 17:59:13 +0000

Carol – Can you point out where Nicolosi’s books are on their website? I looked in Exodus books and cannot find them. Are they recommended elsewhere?

By: Teresa

Teresa — Wed, 30 May 2018 17:59:11 +0000

It’s simply a way of admitting that a change in sexual orientation is an extremely rare development – which I find no difficulty in believing.

Yes, William, I agree with your statements.

He no more knows the statistics to be 99.9% don’t change than when he was quoting thousand and thousands have changed.

Seriously, we don’t the numbers for men.

Mary, I disagree somewhat here. No, Alan Chamber, Jeremy Marks, John Smid don’t know an exact percentage; but, when these men, who have worked for decades with homosexuals … when they believed ‘change’ was possible … when they personally know, worked with, are aware of many, many homosexuals … when these persons, who have nothing to gain and everything to lose within the communities they are/were in … when they say they know hardly anyone who has ‘changed’ … I believe them. They’re the experts for me. They’ve been there, done that, and bought the t-shirt.

These are the ‘studies’ we should believe.

By: Mary

Mary — Wed, 30 May 2018 17:59:11 +0000

He no more knows the statistics to be 99.9% don’t change than when he was quoting thousand and thousands have changed.

Seriously, we don’t the numbers for men.

By: StraightGrandmother

StraightGrandmother — Wed, 30 May 2018 17:59:11 +0000

I don’t think Alan Chambers is being forthcoming because of that Christian Magazine he was on the cover of (I could not find that article on Warren’s blog, but it is reported here) where he was awarded the Daniel Award. In that magazine article published just last month he clearly says near the end of the article that Change is possible. Not only that he invites his wife to a business lunch with the reporter, and she duly writes a lot about Alan being married and his two children.

It seems to me that Alan changes his message depending on who his audience is, and that is not the way to Lead.