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	Comments on: The Evangelical Blackout of Sexual Orientation Research, Part 2	</title>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 21:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/12/15/the-evangelical-blackout-of-sexual-orientation-research-part-2/#comment-94542&quot;&gt;David Blakeslee&lt;/a&gt;.

David - Your headline would be a much fairer one. Your analysis of the current headline seems right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/12/15/the-evangelical-blackout-of-sexual-orientation-research-part-2/#comment-94542">David Blakeslee</a>.</p>
<p>David &#8211; Your headline would be a much fairer one. Your analysis of the current headline seems right.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 21:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...and I think your point in the previous post is excellent that the lay community and &quot;cuts and pastes&quot; this stuff to their talking points are poorly served.



&quot;You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and I think your point in the previous post is excellent that the lay community and &#8220;cuts and pastes&#8221; this stuff to their talking points are poorly served.</p>
<p>&#8220;You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free&#8221;</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StraightGrandmother]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren or David B, I am working on a project and I need an answer to this question. Just as  Rosik stated in this article,

&lt;blockquote&gt;As is the case for the vast majority of studies in this area, the sample size is quite small, constituting only 78 adolescents.  The sample of lesbian parents is self-selected and appears to be different from the general population on important demographics such as socioeconomic status and educational attainment. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

My question is- Is the vast amount of psychological research on &lt;strong&gt;other&lt;/strong&gt; psychological topics

&lt;blockquote&gt;NOT Small sample size

NOT self reported&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren or David B, I am working on a project and I need an answer to this question. Just as  Rosik stated in this article,</p>
<blockquote><p>As is the case for the vast majority of studies in this area, the sample size is quite small, constituting only 78 adolescents.  The sample of lesbian parents is self-selected and appears to be different from the general population on important demographics such as socioeconomic status and educational attainment. </p></blockquote>
<p>My question is- Is the vast amount of psychological research on <strong>other</strong> psychological topics</p>
<blockquote><p>NOT Small sample size</p>
<p>NOT self reported</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SG: as sample size increases and as the sample is based upon objective criteria (rather than self-report) the results are more reliable and typical of the general population.



Therefore more likely to be true, generally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG: as sample size increases and as the sample is based upon objective criteria (rather than self-report) the results are more reliable and typical of the general population.</p>
<p>Therefore more likely to be true, generally.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StraightGrandmother]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I think will be interesting in the research is to follow these young women into adulthood and see what happens with them.  This very well might be the &quot;I want to be a teacher like my mom&quot; syndrome. But then when the child grows up and goes to college they change their mind and pursue a different field of study.



It is also interesting that none of the boys are any more gay identifying than boys raised in a heterosexually headed family. I can&#039;t put my finger on it exactly, but in here there is something about women&#039;s sexual orientation being more fluid than men&#039;s. Somehow that must apply to this research, doesn&#039;t it?



Of course the political counterpoint headline to NaARTH&#039;s would be-

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;New Study: Sons of Lesbian Parents No More Likely to Engage in Same-Sex Behavior and Identify as Bisexual than Sons Raised  by Heterosexual Parents&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;



This should make the conservative bigots happy shouldn&#039;t it? This would be a good study for them. They always seem like they are more worried about boys turning gay than girls turning lesbian. Hey the boys are fine, no problems there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think will be interesting in the research is to follow these young women into adulthood and see what happens with them.  This very well might be the &#8220;I want to be a teacher like my mom&#8221; syndrome. But then when the child grows up and goes to college they change their mind and pursue a different field of study.</p>
<p>It is also interesting that none of the boys are any more gay identifying than boys raised in a heterosexually headed family. I can&#8217;t put my finger on it exactly, but in here there is something about women&#8217;s sexual orientation being more fluid than men&#8217;s. Somehow that must apply to this research, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Of course the political counterpoint headline to NaARTH&#8217;s would be-</p>
<p><strong></p>
<blockquote><p>New Study: Sons of Lesbian Parents No More Likely to Engage in Same-Sex Behavior and Identify as Bisexual than Sons Raised  by Heterosexual Parents</p></blockquote>
<p></strong></p>
<p>This should make the conservative bigots happy shouldn&#8217;t it? This would be a good study for them. They always seem like they are more worried about boys turning gay than girls turning lesbian. Hey the boys are fine, no problems there.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t care who uses what to which advantage. The point is, is it good science, and if it is, is it just one of many data points that only when analysed together build a picture we can have confidence in, or does it stand alone?



Sample size &#060;500 means I treat it as a data point. 20 such studies,even if differing in methodology, all with samples of ~30 and saying the same kind of thing, I&#038;#039d find pursuasive.



When dealing with biological studies of gender identity, sample sizes are often around 20. There just aren&#038;#039t that many brains of cadavers of provably transsexual people that we are able to disect. It&#038;#039s only MRI and PET scans that we have reasonable sample sizes in the hundreds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care who uses what to which advantage. The point is, is it good science, and if it is, is it just one of many data points that only when analysed together build a picture we can have confidence in, or does it stand alone?</p>
<p>Sample size &#060;500 means I treat it as a data point. 20 such studies,even if differing in methodology, all with samples of ~30 and saying the same kind of thing, I&amp;#039d find pursuasive.</p>
<p>When dealing with biological studies of gender identity, sample sizes are often around 20. There just aren&amp;#039t that many brains of cadavers of provably transsexual people that we are able to disect. It&amp;#039s only MRI and PET scans that we have reasonable sample sizes in the hundreds.</p>
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		By: Lynn David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok... now I see your next post, so nevermind....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230; now I see your next post, so nevermind&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Teresa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teresa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren,



I certainly agree with the thesis you&#039;re pointing out here; but, I&#039;m mystified as to calling this &quot;a study&quot;; something even being considered as noteworthy.  Yes, it&#039;s new; and, yes, NARTH would knee-jerk it, as usual; but, where&#039;s any of the scientific method here?



I need to go back and look at what credentials the authors of the study have.  This sounds like a grad student, needing a topic for a paper, putting out an ad for volunteers for the &#039;research&#039; ... asking 10 questions ... and, wa-la, here&#039;s a Research Paper.



I&#039;m sorry to be so ornery about this; but, this is quite over-the-top in its Headline, as well as considering it something of value.  Rosik points out huge flaws in the study; but, then calls it valuable as a starting point in this area.  The only value I can see ... is how not to do research.  And, any group who latches onto this &quot;as a study&quot; should be known by the company it keeps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren,</p>
<p>I certainly agree with the thesis you&#8217;re pointing out here; but, I&#8217;m mystified as to calling this &#8220;a study&#8221;; something even being considered as noteworthy.  Yes, it&#8217;s new; and, yes, NARTH would knee-jerk it, as usual; but, where&#8217;s any of the scientific method here?</p>
<p>I need to go back and look at what credentials the authors of the study have.  This sounds like a grad student, needing a topic for a paper, putting out an ad for volunteers for the &#8216;research&#8217; &#8230; asking 10 questions &#8230; and, wa-la, here&#8217;s a Research Paper.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to be so ornery about this; but, this is quite over-the-top in its Headline, as well as considering it something of value.  Rosik points out huge flaws in the study; but, then calls it valuable as a starting point in this area.  The only value I can see &#8230; is how not to do research.  And, any group who latches onto this &#8220;as a study&#8221; should be known by the company it keeps.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StraightGrandmother]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[David B, thank you very much. I figured that. Could you please re-red my question again and try to answer it. Many thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David B, thank you very much. I figured that. Could you please re-red my question again and try to answer it. Many thanks.</p>
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		By: Teresa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teresa]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Women&#039;s sexuality appears more fluid than men&#039;s base upon a growing and consistent body of research.&lt;/blockquote&gt;David B., most often it is cited as going from gay to str8.  The big elephant in the room in this area is the large number of women (large in comparison to a small segment) moving from str8 to gay relationships.



I&#039;d like to see a study on this, particularly.  The number of older women, divorced or widowed, who are ending up in same-gender relationships, I think (no evidence) is far greater than the movement from gay to str8.  Just my anecdotal evidence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Women&#8217;s sexuality appears more fluid than men&#8217;s base upon a growing and consistent body of research.</p></blockquote>
<p>David B., most often it is cited as going from gay to str8.  The big elephant in the room in this area is the large number of women (large in comparison to a small segment) moving from str8 to gay relationships.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see a study on this, particularly.  The number of older women, divorced or widowed, who are ending up in same-gender relationships, I think (no evidence) is far greater than the movement from gay to str8.  Just my anecdotal evidence.</p>
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