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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s another little &#039;churchy anecdote&#039; that you might enjoy.



About five years ago, I was attending a synod (a council of the Church); one of the items for discussion was &#039;sexual identity&#039; - always a controversial issue in the dear old C. of E..  The Synod Member seated next to me was from an &lt;strong&gt;evangelical&lt;/strong&gt; parish (a &#039;church plant&#039; that well-known nearly &#039;megachurch&#039; outfit Holy Trinity, Brompton) from just down the road from my own.  He stood up and spoke - with great force and profound emotion - about just how deplorable are all forms of unjust discrimination against sexual minorities.  I&#039;ll be honest: I nearly fell off my seat!



&#039;Fundamentalists&#039; should be &#039;on notice&#039;: the Church is changing. Maybe rather too slowly for some tastes (my own included) - &lt;strong&gt;but changing it is&lt;/strong&gt; (as it has always done throughout its 2000-year history); and this may be one reason why the &#039;homophobic portions&#039; of the church are making so much noise just now.  For all its many faults, Christianity is a diverse and dynamic affair, and all attempts definitively to trap it in some kind of mean and rigid ideology are ultimately doomed to failure.  (And if I didn&#039;t believe that, I would become a virulent opponent of &#039;religion&#039;.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another little &#8216;churchy anecdote&#8217; that you might enjoy.</p>
<p>About five years ago, I was attending a synod (a council of the Church); one of the items for discussion was &#8216;sexual identity&#8217; &#8211; always a controversial issue in the dear old C. of E..  The Synod Member seated next to me was from an <strong>evangelical</strong> parish (a &#8216;church plant&#8217; that well-known nearly &#8216;megachurch&#8217; outfit Holy Trinity, Brompton) from just down the road from my own.  He stood up and spoke &#8211; with great force and profound emotion &#8211; about just how deplorable are all forms of unjust discrimination against sexual minorities.  I&#8217;ll be honest: I nearly fell off my seat!</p>
<p>&#8216;Fundamentalists&#8217; should be &#8216;on notice&#8217;: the Church is changing. Maybe rather too slowly for some tastes (my own included) &#8211; <strong>but changing it is</strong> (as it has always done throughout its 2000-year history); and this may be one reason why the &#8216;homophobic portions&#8217; of the church are making so much noise just now.  For all its many faults, Christianity is a diverse and dynamic affair, and all attempts definitively to trap it in some kind of mean and rigid ideology are ultimately doomed to failure.  (And if I didn&#8217;t believe that, I would become a virulent opponent of &#8216;religion&#8217;.)</p>
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		By: Carol A Ranney		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ StraightGrandmother, I am about where you are.  I found the articles (parts 1 and 2) of &quot;The Evangelical Blackout of Sexual Orientation Research&quot; extremely helpful.  In general, the whole evangelical &quot;block&quot; gets its information from a few vocal, narrow sources that trumpet with authority but ignore the facts, discredit the facts, or simply don&#039;t bother to find out the facts.  I changed churches over this issue.  The church I attend now is not strident like the former one, but still holds to the occasionally mentioned &quot;fundamental view.&quot;  However I can live with it and choose to ignore or occasionally (via email) challenge what is said from the pulpit.  I think sticking to the church while pushing for change is the only hope of it ever changing.  The bottom line of Christ as the redeemer of the world is true for every straight and GLBTQI person, and the church, somehow, some way, must repent and reach them.  Some have.  Hang onto your faith, no matter what you do about church--it is the only light we have and the only hope that we can share.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ StraightGrandmother, I am about where you are.  I found the articles (parts 1 and 2) of &#8220;The Evangelical Blackout of Sexual Orientation Research&#8221; extremely helpful.  In general, the whole evangelical &#8220;block&#8221; gets its information from a few vocal, narrow sources that trumpet with authority but ignore the facts, discredit the facts, or simply don&#8217;t bother to find out the facts.  I changed churches over this issue.  The church I attend now is not strident like the former one, but still holds to the occasionally mentioned &#8220;fundamental view.&#8221;  However I can live with it and choose to ignore or occasionally (via email) challenge what is said from the pulpit.  I think sticking to the church while pushing for change is the only hope of it ever changing.  The bottom line of Christ as the redeemer of the world is true for every straight and GLBTQI person, and the church, somehow, some way, must repent and reach them.  Some have.  Hang onto your faith, no matter what you do about church&#8211;it is the only light we have and the only hope that we can share.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Carol



I think a church reaches a &#039;healthy place&#039; when it stops banging on about &#039;sexuality&#039; and instead values people&#039;s &#039;essential qualities&#039;.  I&#039;m fortunate in attending (and ministering in) a church where a 93-year-old widow of a priest describes an elderly and devoted gay couple as &#039;two really lovely people&#039; (which they most assuredly are) ... in other words, she (though in many ways really quite &#039;conservative&#039; in her theological outlook) is looking beyond &#039;sex&#039; and seeing &#039;people&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carol</p>
<p>I think a church reaches a &#8216;healthy place&#8217; when it stops banging on about &#8216;sexuality&#8217; and instead values people&#8217;s &#8216;essential qualities&#8217;.  I&#8217;m fortunate in attending (and ministering in) a church where a 93-year-old widow of a priest describes an elderly and devoted gay couple as &#8216;two really lovely people&#8217; (which they most assuredly are) &#8230; in other words, she (though in many ways really quite &#8216;conservative&#8217; in her theological outlook) is looking beyond &#8216;sex&#8217; and seeing &#8216;people&#8217;.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard, thank you to the link to that beautiful hymn. I have to say that when I watch a video like that I do miss it. I have said before that the Political activism to deny sexual minorities civil marriage rights has turned me off of religion. It really has.  The organized opposition to equal civil rights for sexual minorities are the churches and that is a fact.  Their opposition has weaken my personal faith, it really has.



Seeing and listening to that hymn brought back memories of what I am now missing. To hear a full beautiful choir sing is simply beautiful. I do get lost in nostalgia for a few minutes during the video, but as soon as it is over I am back to the reality of they way it is, not the way I would like it to be. And the way it is is hateful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, thank you to the link to that beautiful hymn. I have to say that when I watch a video like that I do miss it. I have said before that the Political activism to deny sexual minorities civil marriage rights has turned me off of religion. It really has.  The organized opposition to equal civil rights for sexual minorities are the churches and that is a fact.  Their opposition has weaken my personal faith, it really has.</p>
<p>Seeing and listening to that hymn brought back memories of what I am now missing. To hear a full beautiful choir sing is simply beautiful. I do get lost in nostalgia for a few minutes during the video, but as soon as it is over I am back to the reality of they way it is, not the way I would like it to be. And the way it is is hateful.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[SGM - You can consider this an open thread. When I toss out a blogkeeping post, it often goes in many directions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SGM &#8211; You can consider this an open thread. When I toss out a blogkeeping post, it often goes in many directions.</p>
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