Comments on: Thomas Jefferson, civil government and religion https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/11/29/thomas-jefferson-civil-government-and-religion/ A [retired] college psychology professor's observations about public policy, mental health, sexual identity, and religious issues Wed, 30 May 2018 18:22:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3 By: StraightGrandmother https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/11/29/thomas-jefferson-civil-government-and-religion/#comment-81540 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:22:04 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=10619#comment-81540 Teresa =

The Catholic Church, until Vatican II, held that slavery was not against the Natural Law, else how do we reconcile St. Paul.

StraightGrandmother= Is this true? I mean I know you write it, and I take you to be a credible person, ergo this must be true. I am in absolute shock! Shock!

]]> By: Teresa https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/11/29/thomas-jefferson-civil-government-and-religion/#comment-81533 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:22:04 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=10619#comment-81533 StraightGrandmother (SG), you don’t have to take my word for it; credibility, not withstanding. Check out the Catholic Encyclopedia, online, any edition that pops up. The essay(s) on slavery are difficult to wade through; but, well worth the time. The Natural Law argument is very essential to the argument, using St. Paul’s own words as justification.

Way off topic here, SG, so I’ll keep this short. Slavery is one of the top 3 issues that can take apart the Church’s claim to infallibility. The three are: usury, geocentrism, and slavery. Frankly, SG, I’m not sure in my heart of hearts, if the Church, pushed into a corner, has ‘changed’ her opinion on slavery. She’s simply mute on the subject.

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]]> By: ken https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/11/29/thomas-jefferson-civil-government-and-religion/#comment-81525 Wed, 30 May 2018 18:22:01 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=10619#comment-81525 It should be noted, while Jefferson may not have believed British common law was not based on christianity, it doesn’t mean it was not.

so it is not incorrect to argue that christianity influenced british common law, just to argue that Jefferson claimed christianity influenced british common law.

]]> By: StraightGrandmother https://wthrockmorton.com/2011/11/29/thomas-jefferson-civil-government-and-religion/#comment-77250 Wed, 30 May 2018 17:55:11 +0000 http://wthrockmorton.com/?p=10619#comment-77250 This I agree with Teresa, you make a good point,

This is much like what Warren, et. al., are saying about the infrequency of change in orientation. It’s not a belief. It’s not a claim. It’s fact. NARTH is about belief rather than fact.

When Warren goes to the sources a statement or a research paper is based on, and one by one validates or discredits the source (as he does here /2011/11/28/narth-rewards-what-it-does/ ) he is doing in medicine what Jefferson did in law.

Teresa you said,

The foundation was set to amend, when necessary, our Constitution to accommodate our greater understanding of social and economic rights.

StraightGrandmother= Oh Teresa they knew what they were doing, they did not need “greater understanding” they knew but they did it anyway because they could, and because they benefited. I am not inclined to give them a free pass based on “well those were the times.” They knew then, just as Christians know now that the love between two sexual minorities is no different than the love between two heterosexuals. They know, but they DISCRIMINATE anyway because they can and it makes them feel superior.

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