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		By: North Dallas Thirty		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[And that nicely makes the point, Wayne Besen; you do endorse and support every single one of the statements made in the post cited from Truth Wins Out and the post linked to it, which you and your organization state &quot;everything he said is true, and then some&quot;.
StraightGrandmother and Warren Throckmorton now see you with the mask off and what you will and have said about people with whom you disagree.
How do you think that will turn out?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that nicely makes the point, Wayne Besen; you do endorse and support every single one of the statements made in the post cited from Truth Wins Out and the post linked to it, which you and your organization state &#8220;everything he said is true, and then some&#8221;.<br />
StraightGrandmother and Warren Throckmorton now see you with the mask off and what you will and have said about people with whom you disagree.<br />
How do you think that will turn out?</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have replied but I am in moderation purgatory again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have replied but I am in moderation purgatory again.</p>
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		By: Wayne Besen		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[North Dallas Thirty:
It seems that you have found a new place to spew your illogical and irrational garbage. That is why we have permanently banned you from our website.
May I suggest you send your resume to PFOX -- they are always looking for serial distorters. You seem to fit the bill.
The case you try to build against me and Truth Wins Out falls flat. I simply feel bad for you. So much hatred. So little sense.
Best of luck. No one is buying what you are selling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Dallas Thirty:<br />
It seems that you have found a new place to spew your illogical and irrational garbage. That is why we have permanently banned you from our website.<br />
May I suggest you send your resume to PFOX &#8212; they are always looking for serial distorters. You seem to fit the bill.<br />
The case you try to build against me and Truth Wins Out falls flat. I simply feel bad for you. So much hatred. So little sense.<br />
Best of luck. No one is buying what you are selling.</p>
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		By: Wayne Besen		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S. I totally agree with this statement: &quot;We all know that the writers at GayPatriot are self-loathing, awful people, indeed, embarrassments to LGBT people everywhere. In the past 24 hours, the &quot;Daniel Blatt&quot; one was one of the only wingnuts on the entire internet.&quot;
His record speaks for itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I totally agree with this statement: &#8220;We all know that the writers at GayPatriot are self-loathing, awful people, indeed, embarrassments to LGBT people everywhere. In the past 24 hours, the &#8220;Daniel Blatt&#8221; one was one of the only wingnuts on the entire internet.&#8221;<br />
His record speaks for itself.</p>
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		By: Wayne Besen		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[North Dallas:
The fact that you believe you have a smoking gun makes me think you are smoking something. You&#039;ve proven nothing and are still engaged in illogical quips wrapped in non sequiturs.
How do I think it will turn out? Um -- just fine. Better for me than for you -- because I actually make sense.
Sir, may I strongly suggest you find a local community college and enroll in a debate class before you embarrass yourself any further.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Dallas:<br />
The fact that you believe you have a smoking gun makes me think you are smoking something. You&#8217;ve proven nothing and are still engaged in illogical quips wrapped in non sequiturs.<br />
How do I think it will turn out? Um &#8212; just fine. Better for me than for you &#8212; because I actually make sense.<br />
Sir, may I strongly suggest you find a local community college and enroll in a debate class before you embarrass yourself any further.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[North Dallas 30,  you say I should look at it one way and Stephen says I should look at it another way. I am really not sure what to think. It would have been a lot easier if the person writing would have used &lt;strong&gt;/sarcasm off&lt;/strong&gt; at the end. He is what I think I should do. I will go to Wayne Beeson and ask him.
This is one of those situations where I don&#039;t know any of the people involved, TinTin et al.
Clarification needed, does Nick = GayPatriot?
I think it may be the type of situation where you kind of have to be following along for a while to get it. I want to keep an open mind if it was sarcasm or true beliefs and decide after I contact Wayne Beeson.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Dallas 30,  you say I should look at it one way and Stephen says I should look at it another way. I am really not sure what to think. It would have been a lot easier if the person writing would have used <strong>/sarcasm off</strong> at the end. He is what I think I should do. I will go to Wayne Beeson and ask him.<br />
This is one of those situations where I don&#8217;t know any of the people involved, TinTin et al.<br />
Clarification needed, does Nick = GayPatriot?<br />
I think it may be the type of situation where you kind of have to be following along for a while to get it. I want to keep an open mind if it was sarcasm or true beliefs and decide after I contact Wayne Beeson.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Sam,
I believe you are mistaken if you think Religious Liberty granted to us all in the Constitution trumps all our other individual Constitutional Rights, such as each one of us being treated Equally Under the Law. Religious Liberty does not trump all.
That&#039;s all I&#039;ll say on that since I try to stay on topic here most of the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Sam,<br />
I believe you are mistaken if you think Religious Liberty granted to us all in the Constitution trumps all our other individual Constitutional Rights, such as each one of us being treated Equally Under the Law. Religious Liberty does not trump all.<br />
That&#8217;s all I&#8217;ll say on that since I try to stay on topic here most of the time.</p>
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		By: North Dallas Thirty		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The fact that you believe you have a smoking gun makes me think you are smoking something.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh, I see. You are allowed to slander people and state that they are using drugs.
Perhaps we should also put out there how your organization links to, supports, and endorses websites that call Barack Obama the &quot;Negro-in-Chief&quot;, as well as things like this:
&lt;blockquote&gt; Dan says all this stuff because the probability that any gay man would ever give enough of a shit about Dan to visit him in a hospital, much less to have a relationship with him, is remote &#8212; as remote as the possibility that Dan will ever have sex with anyone other than a blind leper in a darkened truck stop in rural Alabama, and even then the leper will have to down a fifth of Jack Daniel&#039;s before he can bring himself to do it. Fuck you, Dan, you wretched, illiterate prick.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Your organization, Truth Wins Out, said of that particular post, Wayne:
&lt;blockquote&gt;everything he said is true, and then some&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Now, the individual in question has a public record as being quite literate -- and also, given his prominence online, your organization&#039;s statement that he is not, as well as the other things you printed about him, could cause him serious financial and professional damage and stop him from getting a job.
Will you please provide your proof that your statements made therein are true -- that Dan Blatt is in fact illiterate, for starters?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The fact that you believe you have a smoking gun makes me think you are smoking something.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, I see. You are allowed to slander people and state that they are using drugs.<br />
Perhaps we should also put out there how your organization links to, supports, and endorses websites that call Barack Obama the &#8220;Negro-in-Chief&#8221;, as well as things like this:</p>
<blockquote><p> Dan says all this stuff because the probability that any gay man would ever give enough of a shit about Dan to visit him in a hospital, much less to have a relationship with him, is remote &#8212; as remote as the possibility that Dan will ever have sex with anyone other than a blind leper in a darkened truck stop in rural Alabama, and even then the leper will have to down a fifth of Jack Daniel&#8217;s before he can bring himself to do it. Fuck you, Dan, you wretched, illiterate prick.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your organization, Truth Wins Out, said of that particular post, Wayne:</p>
<blockquote><p>everything he said is true, and then some</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, the individual in question has a public record as being quite literate &#8212; and also, given his prominence online, your organization&#8217;s statement that he is not, as well as the other things you printed about him, could cause him serious financial and professional damage and stop him from getting a job.<br />
Will you please provide your proof that your statements made therein are true &#8212; that Dan Blatt is in fact illiterate, for starters?</p>
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		By: stephen		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[SG. Yes. It&#039;s satire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG. Yes. It&#8217;s satire.</p>
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		By: StraightGrandmother		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne, thank you for stopping over here but you didn&#039;t answer my question. See if I got this right.
There is a guy called Nick, also known as ColoradoGayPatriot or Gay Patriot. He says he is gay but is hard core right wing against anything and everything that would end the Discrimination against people who are gay.
You and a guy named TinTin (TinTin writes a blog called &quot;Sadly No!&quot;) do not like Nick Colorado Patriot.
TinTin wrote an article that is a satire of how TinTin thinks Nick ColoradoPatriot thinks. In other words, what TinTin wrote is not what TinTin believes, it is TinTin&#039;s exaggeration of what Nick ColoradoPatriot believes. Below from the satire article from TinTin
&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve been sashaying around the right-wing Internutz looking for one of its loonier denizens to get all riled up about how the Negro-in-Chief had the gall to force hospitals to let dykes and fags visit their so-called families. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/30284.html
TinTin&#039;s article also mentions a man named Dan Blatt but let&#039;s ignore him for a while or it gets to confusing.
Let&#039;s call the Above Part A
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Part B - Evan Hurst on Wayne Beeson TWO organization writes about  TinTin&#039;s satire article. TWO &lt;strong&gt;is agreeing with the satire&lt;/strong&gt;, I think I have got it!  Evan Hurst of TWO criticizes both Nick ColoradoGayPatriot and Dan Blatt in his article about the TinTin satire. And he makes fun of them, insults them really.  I do not agree with when Evan writes this
&lt;blockquote&gt;or he&#039;s just so eaten up by guilt that he&#039;s bought into the entire Religious Right garbage about sexual orientation that he actually thinks he chose to be a self-hating &lt;strong&gt;faggot&lt;/strong&gt; at age 25.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I do not think anyone should use the gay pejorative F word. Now if you are joking around your house with your friends who are gay that is one thing, but the way this was written here is totally another thing, and a &lt;strong&gt;wrong&lt;/strong&gt; thing.
The rest, about the Sears Catalog and underpants etc. snarky sure, but not like Greg Quinlan  of PFOX saying that Wayne Beeson has said someone should inject GQ with AIDS. There is snarky (TWO) and then there is shocking (Greg Quinland).
I do agree with Evans summation though,
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Wow, these guys are total assholes!&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt; The A-Holes meaning Nick Colorado Patriot and Daniel Blatt. I prolly would not have said it that way but I myself have let fly a few choice words over the bullicides of children who are sexual minorities.
When you read what Nick ColoradoGayPatriot wrote about Constance McMillin, the first thing that comes to mind is, &lt;em&gt;I bet GayPatriot isn&#039;t even gay just pretending to be, to stir up trouble&lt;/em&gt;. That is the only thing I read from ColoradoGayPatriot and it is enough for me to agree with Evan on that score.
End Part B ----------
Overall I think the TWO article is a little over the top but I have to say I get that way myself sometimes. I was writing to everybody during the Constance McMillin debacle, the Supt of schools, I sent the ACLU incriminating Facebook screenshots that were later removed. I had a lengthy Facebook conversation with a girl who went to the &quot;real&quot; prom.
There are times in our fight for Equality that you get so darned frustrated and shut down and shut out by the right wing Christian majority that you go a little over the top sometimes and I particularly do when it involves young people who are sexual minorities such as Constance McMillin.  I don&#039;t think I have been as frustrated as Evan Hurst at TWO, but then again I speak from a position of privilege being a married heterosexual woman. As much empathy as I do have for sexual minorities, still, I don&#039;t walk in their shoes.
In the TWO article I strongly condemn the pejorative F word (in fact I think they should go right now and remove it) the rest is over the top and snarky. I will take snarky over outright lies from the other side though. There is snarky (TWO) and then there are lies (PFOX), they are not the same. I gotta quit now and go look up a study from the Netherlands that GQ refered to in his tv interview.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, thank you for stopping over here but you didn&#8217;t answer my question. See if I got this right.<br />
There is a guy called Nick, also known as ColoradoGayPatriot or Gay Patriot. He says he is gay but is hard core right wing against anything and everything that would end the Discrimination against people who are gay.<br />
You and a guy named TinTin (TinTin writes a blog called &#8220;Sadly No!&#8221;) do not like Nick Colorado Patriot.<br />
TinTin wrote an article that is a satire of how TinTin thinks Nick ColoradoPatriot thinks. In other words, what TinTin wrote is not what TinTin believes, it is TinTin&#8217;s exaggeration of what Nick ColoradoPatriot believes. Below from the satire article from TinTin</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve been sashaying around the right-wing Internutz looking for one of its loonier denizens to get all riled up about how the Negro-in-Chief had the gall to force hospitals to let dykes and fags visit their so-called families. </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/30284.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/30284.html</a><br />
TinTin&#8217;s article also mentions a man named Dan Blatt but let&#8217;s ignore him for a while or it gets to confusing.<br />
Let&#8217;s call the Above Part A<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Part B &#8211; Evan Hurst on Wayne Beeson TWO organization writes about  TinTin&#8217;s satire article. TWO <strong>is agreeing with the satire</strong>, I think I have got it!  Evan Hurst of TWO criticizes both Nick ColoradoGayPatriot and Dan Blatt in his article about the TinTin satire. And he makes fun of them, insults them really.  I do not agree with when Evan writes this</p>
<blockquote><p>or he&#8217;s just so eaten up by guilt that he&#8217;s bought into the entire Religious Right garbage about sexual orientation that he actually thinks he chose to be a self-hating <strong>faggot</strong> at age 25.</p></blockquote>
<p>I do not think anyone should use the gay pejorative F word. Now if you are joking around your house with your friends who are gay that is one thing, but the way this was written here is totally another thing, and a <strong>wrong</strong> thing.<br />
The rest, about the Sears Catalog and underpants etc. snarky sure, but not like Greg Quinlan  of PFOX saying that Wayne Beeson has said someone should inject GQ with AIDS. There is snarky (TWO) and then there is shocking (Greg Quinland).<br />
I do agree with Evans summation though,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Wow, these guys are total assholes!&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p> The A-Holes meaning Nick Colorado Patriot and Daniel Blatt. I prolly would not have said it that way but I myself have let fly a few choice words over the bullicides of children who are sexual minorities.<br />
When you read what Nick ColoradoGayPatriot wrote about Constance McMillin, the first thing that comes to mind is, <em>I bet GayPatriot isn&#8217;t even gay just pretending to be, to stir up trouble</em>. That is the only thing I read from ColoradoGayPatriot and it is enough for me to agree with Evan on that score.<br />
End Part B &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Overall I think the TWO article is a little over the top but I have to say I get that way myself sometimes. I was writing to everybody during the Constance McMillin debacle, the Supt of schools, I sent the ACLU incriminating Facebook screenshots that were later removed. I had a lengthy Facebook conversation with a girl who went to the &#8220;real&#8221; prom.<br />
There are times in our fight for Equality that you get so darned frustrated and shut down and shut out by the right wing Christian majority that you go a little over the top sometimes and I particularly do when it involves young people who are sexual minorities such as Constance McMillin.  I don&#8217;t think I have been as frustrated as Evan Hurst at TWO, but then again I speak from a position of privilege being a married heterosexual woman. As much empathy as I do have for sexual minorities, still, I don&#8217;t walk in their shoes.<br />
In the TWO article I strongly condemn the pejorative F word (in fact I think they should go right now and remove it) the rest is over the top and snarky. I will take snarky over outright lies from the other side though. There is snarky (TWO) and then there are lies (PFOX), they are not the same. I gotta quit now and go look up a study from the Netherlands that GQ refered to in his tv interview.</p>
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